Local dentist fights TMAPC sidewalk enforcement

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982


maybe you havent been by the area in awhile but I completely agree with the dentist.  To the east of her establishment is a good 100yds of dense trees, creek, etc.  To the west is nothing but grass in front of a church and condos.  This sidewalk would benefit who? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!  

If I wanted to walk from 81st and sheridan east to memorial I would walk on 99.8% grass and .2% sidewalk, that is absurd. And take a huge chance of getting hit by a car since people on 81st in that area drive like maniacs in and out of the neighborhoods.  Totally pointless and waste of money IMO.

Funny thing about areas with 100% sidewalks, they started with 2%.

funny thing about a sidewalk that leads to over 100yds of dense trees.  I can assure you that the above sidewalks you are referring to did not have a football field worth of trees and a 2 lane road which is dangerous to walk on in the first place.

Funny thing about dangerous roads.  Sidewalks make them much safer.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982


maybe you havent been by the area in awhile but I completely agree with the dentist.  To the east of her establishment is a good 100yds of dense trees, creek, etc.  To the west is nothing but grass in front of a church and condos.  This sidewalk would benefit who? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!  

If I wanted to walk from 81st and sheridan east to memorial I would walk on 99.8% grass and .2% sidewalk, that is absurd. And take a huge chance of getting hit by a car since people on 81st in that area drive like maniacs in and out of the neighborhoods.  Totally pointless and waste of money IMO.

Funny thing about areas with 100% sidewalks, they started with 2%.

funny thing about a sidewalk that leads to over 100yds of dense trees.  I can assure you that the above sidewalks you are referring to did not have a football field worth of trees and a 2 lane road which is dangerous to walk on in the first place.

Funny thing about dangerous roads.  Sidewalks make them much safer.

Funny thing about funny things is they're funny.

Go sidewalks!  Yayyyyyyy, sidewalks!

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982


maybe you havent been by the area in awhile but I completely agree with the dentist.  To the east of her establishment is a good 100yds of dense trees, creek, etc.  To the west is nothing but grass in front of a church and condos.  This sidewalk would benefit who? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!  

If I wanted to walk from 81st and sheridan east to memorial I would walk on 99.8% grass and .2% sidewalk, that is absurd. And take a huge chance of getting hit by a car since people on 81st in that area drive like maniacs in and out of the neighborhoods.  Totally pointless and waste of money IMO.

Funny thing about areas with 100% sidewalks, they started with 2%.

funny thing about a sidewalk that leads to over 100yds of dense trees.  I can assure you that the above sidewalks you are referring to did not have a football field worth of trees and a 2 lane road which is dangerous to walk on in the first place.

Funny thing about dangerous roads.  Sidewalks make them much safer.

they will just have to cross that dangerous street to get to the sidewalk on the other side since those trees of atleast 100yds are in the way.  Our city has major problems, and they are *****ing about a stupid sidewalk to nowhere!! wow, we need some change at the top.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982


maybe you havent been by the area in awhile but I completely agree with the dentist.  To the east of her establishment is a good 100yds of dense trees, creek, etc.  To the west is nothing but grass in front of a church and condos.  This sidewalk would benefit who? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!  

If I wanted to walk from 81st and sheridan east to memorial I would walk on 99.8% grass and .2% sidewalk, that is absurd. And take a huge chance of getting hit by a car since people on 81st in that area drive like maniacs in and out of the neighborhoods.  Totally pointless and waste of money IMO.

Funny thing about areas with 100% sidewalks, they started with 2%.

funny thing about a sidewalk that leads to over 100yds of dense trees.  I can assure you that the above sidewalks you are referring to did not have a football field worth of trees and a 2 lane road which is dangerous to walk on in the first place.

Funny thing about dangerous roads.  Sidewalks make them much safer.

they will just have to cross that dangerous street to get to the sidewalk on the other side since those trees of atleast 100yds are in the way.  Our city has major problems, and they are *****ing about a stupid sidewalk to nowhere!! wow, we need some change at the top.

   One problem with your suggestion there sport....

Policy regarding "sidewalks" does not come from the top..

Cheer Up...!  Buy a skateboard or something. [}:)]

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982


maybe you havent been by the area in awhile but I completely agree with the dentist.  To the east of her establishment is a good 100yds of dense trees, creek, etc.  To the west is nothing but grass in front of a church and condos.  This sidewalk would benefit who? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!  

If I wanted to walk from 81st and sheridan east to memorial I would walk on 99.8% grass and .2% sidewalk, that is absurd. And take a huge chance of getting hit by a car since people on 81st in that area drive like maniacs in and out of the neighborhoods.  Totally pointless and waste of money IMO.

Funny thing about areas with 100% sidewalks, they started with 2%.

funny thing about a sidewalk that leads to over 100yds of dense trees.  I can assure you that the above sidewalks you are referring to did not have a football field worth of trees and a 2 lane road which is dangerous to walk on in the first place.

Funny thing about dangerous roads.  Sidewalks make them much safer.

they will just have to cross that dangerous street to get to the sidewalk on the other side since those trees of atleast 100yds are in the way.  Our city has major problems, and they are *****ing about a stupid sidewalk to nowhere!! wow, we need some change at the top.

   One problem with your suggestion there sport....

Policy regarding "sidewalks" does not come from the top..

Cheer Up...!  Buy a skateboard or something. [}:)]

well actually it does, let me explain....

According to Oklahoma Statutes, the MAYOR, with approval of the City Council appoints 6 members to the TMAPC and the three County Commissioners (Miller, Perry, and Smaligo) each appoint a member, which totals 9.  Dont forget the Mayor and the chair of County Commission serve as ex-officio members as well, making 11 total members in the TMAPC.

Now do you see where I was coming from??  

[brunoflipper]

oh how i hate attorneys....

[RecycleMichael]

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

This is just one of the many reasons why I think we need a change at mayor and county commissioner.  Randy Miller is an idiot.  That report they did on channel 6 I think it was about Bells, etc made her look like a moron.  

I was simply explaining my post to the guy who called me "sport and go get my skateboard".

There are exceptions to every rule and loopholes as well.  IMO I think its totally asanine to place a sidewalk in front of the dentists office for NO ONE!

How many of you guys have actually driven by and looked at the area in question?  I drive by there daily and each day I think of the people on this board who actually side with TMAPC.  I also think what IDIOTS do we have on the TMAPC that think its necessary for a sidewalk there.

If this is the type of difficult decisions they are making every meeting, maybe they need to re evaluate their degree of difficulty for things.  

You make it sound like everyone in this country follows the rules to a T.  Have you ever driven through a red light? Have you ever sped on the highway? Or switched lanes without signaling?  Did you go turn yourself in and pay the fines because you didnt follow the rules?  

There are exceptions to every rule.  If you are having an emergency, its OK to speed down the road with your flashers on to get to the hospital, is it illegal? you bet ya.

Dont make it seem like this board has always followed the rules every single time, because they obviously have not.  

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

This is just one of the many reasons why I think we need a change at mayor and county commissioner.  Randy Miller is an idiot.  That report they did on channel 6 I think it was about Bells, etc made her look like a moron.  

I was simply explaining my post to the guy who called me "sport and go get my skateboard".

There are exceptions to every rule and loopholes as well.  IMO I think its totally asanine to place a sidewalk in front of the dentists office for NO ONE!

How many of you guys have actually driven by and looked at the area in question?  I drive by there daily and each day I think of the people on this board who actually side with TMAPC.  I also think what IDIOTS do we have on the TMAPC that think its necessary for a sidewalk there.

If this is the type of difficult decisions they are making every meeting, maybe they need to re evaluate their degree of difficulty for things.  

You make it sound like everyone in this country follows the rules to a T.  Have you ever driven through a red light? Have you ever sped on the highway? Or switched lanes without signaling?  Did you go turn yourself in and pay the fines because you didnt follow the rules?  

There are exceptions to every rule.  If you are having an emergency, its OK to speed down the road with your flashers on to get to the hospital, is it illegal? you bet ya.

Dont make it seem like this board has always followed the rules every single time, because they obviously have not.  

Randy Miller may indeed be an idiot.  Why is that a reason to fire the Mayor?

Don't forget that the dentist has the option of placing money into an escrow fund so that she won't have to look so asinine.

Sidewalks are necessary.  They have to start someplace.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

This is just one of the many reasons why I think we need a change at mayor and county commissioner.  Randy Miller is an idiot.  That report they did on channel 6 I think it was about Bells, etc made her look like a moron.  

I was simply explaining my post to the guy who called me "sport and go get my skateboard".

There are exceptions to every rule and loopholes as well.  IMO I think its totally asanine to place a sidewalk in front of the dentists office for NO ONE!

How many of you guys have actually driven by and looked at the area in question?  I drive by there daily and each day I think of the people on this board who actually side with TMAPC.  I also think what IDIOTS do we have on the TMAPC that think its necessary for a sidewalk there.

If this is the type of difficult decisions they are making every meeting, maybe they need to re evaluate their degree of difficulty for things.  

You make it sound like everyone in this country follows the rules to a T.  Have you ever driven through a red light? Have you ever sped on the highway? Or switched lanes without signaling?  Did you go turn yourself in and pay the fines because you didnt follow the rules?  

There are exceptions to every rule.  If you are having an emergency, its OK to speed down the road with your flashers on to get to the hospital, is it illegal? you bet ya.

Dont make it seem like this board has always followed the rules every single time, because they obviously have not.  

Randy Miller may indeed be an idiot.  Why is that a reason to fire the Mayor?

Don't forget that the dentist has the option of placing money into an escrow fund so that she won't have to look so asinine.

Sidewalks are necessary.  They have to start someplace.

for starters, I think she did a horrible job on the whole police chief situation. secondly, the proposal for the toll bridge at 121st could have been handled differently.  meanwhile they decide to spend 56 million to move city hall, which in the long run will save the city money, but 20 million dollars for incidentals?? wish I had that kind of cushion when my bills were due.  

Meanwhile, our streets continue to get worse, and we are arguing over a section of sidewalk that in the near future will serve not a sole.  

You would think her past experience being secretary of commerce and tourism, she would want that toll bridge to bring more sales tax revenue to Tulsa, as well as work alot closer with the tulsa drillers to find a way to get them downtown.  

I hope the drillers do move out to Jenks,  more power to them, my home value will rise!

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

This is just one of the many reasons why I think we need a change at mayor and county commissioner.  Randy Miller is an idiot.  That report they did on channel 6 I think it was about Bells, etc made her look like a moron.  

I was simply explaining my post to the guy who called me "sport and go get my skateboard".

There are exceptions to every rule and loopholes as well.  IMO I think its totally asanine to place a sidewalk in front of the dentists office for NO ONE!

How many of you guys have actually driven by and looked at the area in question?  I drive by there daily and each day I think of the people on this board who actually side with TMAPC.  I also think what IDIOTS do we have on the TMAPC that think its necessary for a sidewalk there.

If this is the type of difficult decisions they are making every meeting, maybe they need to re evaluate their degree of difficulty for things.  

You make it sound like everyone in this country follows the rules to a T.  Have you ever driven through a red light? Have you ever sped on the highway? Or switched lanes without signaling?  Did you go turn yourself in and pay the fines because you didnt follow the rules?  

There are exceptions to every rule.  If you are having an emergency, its OK to speed down the road with your flashers on to get to the hospital, is it illegal? you bet ya.

Dont make it seem like this board has always followed the rules every single time, because they obviously have not.  

Randy Miller may indeed be an idiot.  Why is that a reason to fire the Mayor?

Don't forget that the dentist has the option of placing money into an escrow fund so that she won't have to look so asinine.

Sidewalks are necessary.  They have to start someplace.

for starters, I think she did a horrible job on the whole police chief situation. secondly, the proposal for the toll bridge at 121st could have been handled differently.  meanwhile they decide to spend 56 million to move city hall, which in the long run will save the city money, but 20 million dollars for incidentals?? wish I had that kind of cushion when my bills were due.  

Meanwhile, our streets continue to get worse, and we are arguing over a section of sidewalk that in the near future will serve not a sole.  

You would think her past experience being secretary of commerce and tourism, she would want that toll bridge to bring more sales tax revenue to Tulsa, as well as work alot closer with the tulsa drillers to find a way to get them downtown.  

I hope the drillers do move out to Jenks,  more power to them, my home value will rise!

apartments dont go up in value.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

So...Tu Alum...your point is that the current Mayor has appointed a couple of people to a nine member board, then the board voted to reject an application to waive rules, so we should change our Mayor and County commissioners?

How simplistic. This board deals with very difficult decisions every meeting, but should they vote on one application to deny waiving the rules for a development, we should fire the people who appoint them.  

I believe that most people who would have been asked to serve on this board would have voted to follow the rules, regardless of who appoints them.

This is just one of the many reasons why I think we need a change at mayor and county commissioner.  Randy Miller is an idiot.  That report they did on channel 6 I think it was about Bells, etc made her look like a moron.  

I was simply explaining my post to the guy who called me "sport and go get my skateboard".

There are exceptions to every rule and loopholes as well.  IMO I think its totally asanine to place a sidewalk in front of the dentists office for NO ONE!

How many of you guys have actually driven by and looked at the area in question?  I drive by there daily and each day I think of the people on this board who actually side with TMAPC.  I also think what IDIOTS do we have on the TMAPC that think its necessary for a sidewalk there.

If this is the type of difficult decisions they are making every meeting, maybe they need to re evaluate their degree of difficulty for things.  

You make it sound like everyone in this country follows the rules to a T.  Have you ever driven through a red light? Have you ever sped on the highway? Or switched lanes without signaling?  Did you go turn yourself in and pay the fines because you didnt follow the rules?  

There are exceptions to every rule.  If you are having an emergency, its OK to speed down the road with your flashers on to get to the hospital, is it illegal? you bet ya.

Dont make it seem like this board has always followed the rules every single time, because they obviously have not.  

Randy Miller may indeed be an idiot.  Why is that a reason to fire the Mayor?

Don't forget that the dentist has the option of placing money into an escrow fund so that she won't have to look so asinine.

Sidewalks are necessary.  They have to start someplace.

for starters, I think she did a horrible job on the whole police chief situation. secondly, the proposal for the toll bridge at 121st could have been handled differently.  meanwhile they decide to spend 56 million to move city hall, which in the long run will save the city money, but 20 million dollars for incidentals?? wish I had that kind of cushion when my bills were due.  

Meanwhile, our streets continue to get worse, and we are arguing over a section of sidewalk that in the near future will serve not a sole.  

You would think her past experience being secretary of commerce and tourism, she would want that toll bridge to bring more sales tax revenue to Tulsa, as well as work alot closer with the tulsa drillers to find a way to get them downtown.  

I hope the drillers do move out to Jenks,  more power to them, my home value will rise!

apartments dont go up in value.

guess I need to be more specific, I thought I had already mentioned I was building a house at 111th and hwy 75.  1 Mile west of beeline furniture in a neighborhood called south woods.  I am very familiar with the area, grew up in the jenks community and graduated high school from there as well.  Between the tulsa hills shopping center which includes belks, target, best buy, lowes, firestone, goodyear, chilis, BOK, a hotel to be named later, movie theater, the new walmart at 121st and hwy 75, and the new 35 acre development at 81st and 75 on the southwest corner, my home value should rise pretty quick.

Jenks is a great community, I dont understand why so many people in the area think it should be world war 3 about getting a toll bridge to bring more money to the tulsa community. Mind boggling to me!

[brunoflipper]

wow, belks and firestone? sounds like shangri-la... []
i know im always willing to pay $50 more/sq ft to be a mile closer to a wal-mart[]

unfortunately for you, property values in the tulsa burbs don't quite move that quickly... a map has been posted here before showing the details, im sure someone can dig it up... but you should have no problem arguing against sidewalks out there...

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

wow, belks and firestone? sounds like shangri-la... []
i know im always willing to pay $50 more/sq ft to be a mile closer to a wal-mart[}

unfortunately for you, property values in the tulsa burbs don't quite move that quickly... a map has been posted here before showing the details, im sure someone can dig it up... but you should have no problem arguing against sidewalks out there...

Nice sarcasm.  

Yeah you are right.  My apologies.  Not to mention my parents live 3 miles away, great schools, close access to highways, hospital, and entertainment.  West Tulsa has needed a new shopping area for awhile, glad to see its finally coming along.  

And might I add, there is going to be new development at 91st and hwy 75.  Plans came across earlier.  No details as of yet as to what specific stores will be.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

Originally posted by brunoflipper

wow, belks and firestone? sounds like shangri-la... []
i know im always willing to pay $50 more/sq ft to be a mile closer to a wal-mart[}
And might I add, there is going to be new development at 91st and hwy 75.  

my god that's in BFE.