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Started by FOTD, November 11, 2007, 02:54:28 PM

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FOTD

If their "new" definition of 'privacy' is anything like the administration's definition of the word 'torture'...you should have no doubt now that you have no privacy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071111/ap_on_go_ot/terrorist_surveillance;_ylt=Ag3n8RRKhNSBU_iJvFKCs4Gs0NUE

do you really want to rely on a government or business to safeguard your privacy - on anything? Even the privacy act has terrible loopholes in it that allow factors it deems "private" to be publicly accessed.

Your doctor can't reveal any medical information about you to anyone else without your permission. But his bank can. And does, too. Most doctors receive payment by direct deposit from insurance companies, with detailed deposit records that include patient name and diagnostic code. Many banks sell those deposit records to marketers. So if I know your doctor's name and bank, I can purchase his/her deposit records, find your name on them and look up your diagnosis in a code manual - voila. Many banks will deny it, but if you've established such purchases with them, or are with a large enough company, the information is yours for the right price.

Same thing goes with the credit reporting agencies, which also keep your medical records (funny, aint it?). They can't legally sell me your medical information, but I can get your name/address/phone/address changes/credit rating/employment history for about 10 cents in what's known as a "credit header". Ever had a major medical problem? Then your employment history will include "disabled" right along with companies you've worked for. So If you want to buy a car from me, I can find out if you have any employment risk/income risk due to medical reasons, and refuse or jack up the interest.

Their definition of privacy in one word: Fascism.

We should be able to safeguard our privacy and information like the WH safeguards anything incriminating. Talk about double standards, if you're in doubt look at the single word definiction of privacy above.

Conan71

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Breadburner

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Originally posted by Conan71

Do paranoid much, Aox?



How can he be when his head is in the Sand.....
 

TheArtist

As long as someone doesnt steal money from me I dont care what they know. You can follow me around with a camera all day if you want. Why would it matter?
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

mr.jaynes

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Originally posted by TheArtist

As long as someone doesnt steal money from me I dont care what they know. You can follow me around with a camera all day if you want. Why would it matter?



Probably because of the fact that I'm not a public entity. I'm not a celebrity of any kind, I'm not an actor or involved in any other facet of the entertainment industry. I'm not a politician nor am I involved in the spending of our tax dollars, nor am I campaigning for the public's political confidence. I'm not the author of a bestselling book on political or historic matters or of fiction. I'm not called upon by CNN/Fox News Channel/MSNBC/CNBC to comment on the issues of the day. Simply put, I don't live my life that it should be on the front page of the newspaper. And so I jealously guard my privacy.

FOTD

We the People need to stand up and tell this "top intelligence offical" where they can go...

Intel Official: Say Goodbye to Privacy
Nov 11, 11:39 AM (ET)

By PAMELA HESS
WASHINGTON (AP) - A top intelligence official says it is time people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people's private communications and financial information.

Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act.

Lawmakers hastily changed the 1978 law last summer to allow the government to eavesdrop inside the United States without court permission, so long as one end of the conversation was reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S.

The original law required a court order for any surveillance conducted on U.S. soil, to protect Americans' privacy. The White House argued that the law was obstructing intelligence gathering.

The most contentious issue in the new legislation is whether to shield telecommunications companies from civil lawsuits for allegedly giving the government access to people's private e-mails and phone calls without a court order between 2001 and 2007.

Some lawmakers, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, appear reluctant to grant immunity. Suits might be the only way to determine how far the government has burrowed into people's privacy without court permission.

The committee is expected to decide this week whether its version of the bill will protect telecommunications companies.

The central witness in a California lawsuit against AT&T says the government is vacuuming up billions of e-mails and phone calls as they pass through an AT&T switching station in San Francisco.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T technician, helped connect a device in 2003 that he says diverted and copied onto a government supercomputer every call, e-mail, and Internet site access on AT&T lines.

(This version CORRECTS Kerr's title to 'the principal deputy director' instead of 'a deputy director.')

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.  ~Albert Einstein

Hawkins

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Originally posted by TheArtist

As long as someone doesnt steal money from me I dont care what they know. You can follow me around with a camera all day if you want. Why would it matter?




That's really sad. [V]


Conan71

Lemme guess Aox, you have 1984 by George Orwell memorized.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

mr.jaynes

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Originally posted by Hawkins

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

As long as someone doesnt steal money from me I dont care what they know. You can follow me around with a camera all day if you want. Why would it matter?




That's really sad. [V]




I figure, if I'm not married to someone (or intimately involved like a long-term relationship, let's say) or otherwise related to someone, then there are some things we will not discuss. Things like my income or my GPA or what I paid for my condo fall in that category. I also don't court the media, which, by default, rules ou a career in showbiz or politics! Those around me who respect me and by extension, my privacy, know not to dig into those things anyway.