OMG. I have seen it all.

[cannon_fodder]

Any view from street level will make it look more dense since surface parking adds nothing to perspective - that is to say, you can not see it on a level photo.  The tall buildings layer each other and add depth in a surface photo, thereby negating any space between them.

The picture above is pretty reflective of the total density - else look at the larger picture I linked to and you can see even in the middle of the large buildings there is surface parking.  If you want the best perspective download a copy of Google Earth and take a walk around.  

Downtown Houston is about as dense as the built-up portion of downtown Tulsa.  Just Tulsa's area and buildings are not as large.  Well, a few other notable differences (new buildings, people...)

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Downtown Houston is about as dense as the built-up portion of downtown Tulsa.

still competing for the horse**** comment of the year?  How can you type that with a straight face?  Have you even been to Houston?

[sauerkraut]

I'm all for growth and spread. A city can't be all squashed into a small area. I see jobs and a booming economy when I look at the photo. It is a old photo you can tell by looking at the shape of the cars. As for the comment about the trees, The trees in Tulsa have caused enough trouble if ya ask me. Trees belong in a forest not next to buildings and homes where people live. I like trees as much as the next guy, but to me everything has it's place. JMO, Thanx.[]

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by inteller
How can you type that with a straight face?

Wow, calm down man.  

The Boston and Main area of Tulsa is very built up and dense.  From there to the BOk Tower and about a block on either side... that is the "built up" area I am referring to.  It has an occasional surface lot but by and large is built up.  Next to that area it descends into many surface lots, small scale buildings, with an occasional tall structure.  By the time you get to the arena it is mostly surface lots and smaller buildings.

Just like Houston, but on a smaller scale on all accounts.  I'm not saying downtown Tulsa competes with downtown Houston so breath a little bit.  Simply making a comparison. Downtown Houston is not filled in as much as man other cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, San Fran, Phili and on...).  

Here, I'll post this again:
http://www.oneparkplacehouston.com/images/pressroom/ariel_view.jpg

I don't want to post the pic because it's huge.    I hope you'll see what I mean since it is spot on.  Then calm down and avoid freaking out because I mentioned that downtown Houston has similarities to Tulsa.

[TheArtist]

I think some trees in a city is just fine. But whoever came up with the idea of putting ice on them like that ought to be fired. I can understand the sentement, it looking pretty and all, but they went waaay overboard with the application.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I think some trees in a city is just fine. But whoever came up with the idea of putting ice on them like that ought to be fired. I can understand the sentement, it looking pretty and all, but they went waaay overboard with the application.

God decided it was time to redecorate and get rid of those dreadful Bradford pear trees.  Too bad a lot of big oaks, birch's, and elms got taken out as well.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by inteller
How can you type that with a straight face?

Wow, calm down man.  

The Boston and Main area of Tulsa is very built up and dense.  From there to the BOk Tower and about a block on either side... that is the "built up" area I am referring to.  It has an occasional surface lot but by and large is built up.  Next to that area it descends into many surface lots, small scale buildings, with an occasional tall structure.  By the time you get to the arena it is mostly surface lots and smaller buildings.

Just like Houston, but on a smaller scale on all accounts.  I'm not saying downtown Tulsa competes with downtown Houston so breath a little bit.  Simply making a comparison. Downtown Houston is not filled in as much as man other cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, San Fran, Phili and on...).  

Here, I'll post this again:
http://www.oneparkplacehouston.com/images/pressroom/ariel_view.jpg

I don't want to post the pic because it's huge.    I hope you'll see what I mean since it is spot on.  Then calm down and avoid freaking out because I mentioned that downtown Houston has similarities to Tulsa.

you made a statement that downtown houston was "about as" dense as tulsa....implying that it is not as dense as Tulsa which is wrong on so many fronts.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by inteller
How can you type that with a straight face?

Wow, calm down man.  

The Boston and Main area of Tulsa is very built up and dense.  From there to the BOk Tower and about a block on either side... that is the "built up" area I am referring to.  It has an occasional surface lot but by and large is built up.  Next to that area it descends into many surface lots, small scale buildings, with an occasional tall structure.  By the time you get to the arena it is mostly surface lots and smaller buildings.

Just like Houston, but on a smaller scale on all accounts.  I'm not saying downtown Tulsa competes with downtown Houston so breath a little bit.  Simply making a comparison. Downtown Houston is not filled in as much as man other cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, San Fran, Phili and on...).  

Here, I'll post this again:
http://www.oneparkplacehouston.com/images/pressroom/ariel_view.jpg

I don't want to post the pic because it's huge.    I hope you'll see what I mean since it is spot on.  Then calm down and avoid freaking out because I mentioned that downtown Houston has similarities to Tulsa.

you made a statement that downtown houston was "about as" dense as tulsa....implying that it is not as dense as Tulsa which is wrong on so many fronts.

No, he said that a portion of downtown Tulsa had equivalent density to downtown Houston. Comparing subsets of data. I realize that might be far too complex a concept for you, but do try to overachieve in the comprehension department just this once.

The point was to give the readers who have never been to downtown Houston a relative example of the density one would find. This was a point clearly understood by everyone... except you.

[cannon_fodder]

1. "About as" does not imply either side has an advantage.  It is a phrase that conveys the impression that the two related items are similar.  I am "about as tall" as Ben Uzoh.  That does not mean he nor I am necessarily taller.  That phrase carrying that meaning is "almost as."

That's why there are two separate phrases.

2. Aside from common meaning in the English language, this meaning could be further diffused from the sentence in which it was used:

quote:
Downtown Houston is about as dense as the built-up portion of downtown Tulsa. Just Tulsa's area and buildings are not as large. Well, a few other notable differences (new buildings, people...)

See that there the building and area is not as large, one could construe the density was not as great.  

3. On top of that, I specified the "built-up portion of downtown Tulsa," which would imply that only a select portion of Tulsa compares to downtown Houston.  Thus, seeing that only a portion of downtown compares one should deduce that as a whole downtown Tulsa is not as dense as Houston.

4. Who really cares?  Dear god man, you felt the need to attack me and swear on the boards over a post?

If it really means that much to you:

Tulsa's downtown is far inferior to Houston and in no way should the similarities in surface parking ever be made, referenced, or compared.

Better?

[Ed W]

Is that a real image or has it been photoshopped?

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

Is that a real image or has it been photoshopped?

I think it's a real image.  But as noted above, it is a real OLD image.

And it is only an image of the outskirts of downtown Houston. (Sort of like posting a picture of the portion of downtown Tulsa showing only the portions EAST of Detroit and pretending that it shows us "downtown Tulsa")

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by inteller
How can you type that with a straight face?

Wow, calm down man.  

The Boston and Main area of Tulsa is very built up and dense.  From there to the BOk Tower and about a block on either side... that is the "built up" area I am referring to.  It has an occasional surface lot but by and large is built up.  Next to that area it descends into many surface lots, small scale buildings, with an occasional tall structure.  By the time you get to the arena it is mostly surface lots and smaller buildings.

Just like Houston, but on a smaller scale on all accounts.  I'm not saying downtown Tulsa competes with downtown Houston so breath a little bit.  Simply making a comparison. Downtown Houston is not filled in as much as man other cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, San Fran, Phili and on...).  

Here, I'll post this again:
http://www.oneparkplacehouston.com/images/pressroom/ariel_view.jpg

I don't want to post the pic because it's huge.    I hope you'll see what I mean since it is spot on.  Then calm down and avoid freaking out because I mentioned that downtown Houston has similarities to Tulsa.

you made a statement that downtown houston was "about as" dense as tulsa....implying that it is not as dense as Tulsa which is wrong on so many fronts.

No, he said that a portion of downtown Tulsa had equivalent density to downtown Houston. Comparing subsets of data. I realize that might be far too complex a concept for you, but do try to overachieve in the comprehension department just this once.

The point was to give the readers who have never been to downtown Houston a relative example of the density one would find. This was a point clearly understood by everyone... except you.

as someone who visits Houston more often than I would like, any comparisons to Tulsa and Houston should stop at the words "Houston" and "Tulsa".

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

Yes, it's old. Houston isn't my fav city at all, but they are making huge strides in the downtown area to make it more liveable and with mass transportation.

[sauerkraut]

IMO, I think Houston has many advantages over "T" Towne, it's near the coast, they have no income tax and lower gas tax. The cost of living is lower and The climate is much better, warmer and milder, The rainfall can be high at times but you can't have everything at least it's warm and they don't get much snow. Tulsa is too cold for much of the year, but Tulsa does have nice summers. Both Tulsa and Houston are port cities believe it or not. I'm a bit old fashioned and like to live in warmer climates, and sunny climates all year 'round- but that's just me.[B)]

[cannon_fodder]

That's true of a lot of people kraut, but generally it's economics that drives most relocation decisions.  How many people decided to move to Minneapolis because it has really nice summers for 3 months a year and 6 full months of blistering cold winter?  Des Moines is further North than Tulsa and has been in a recent boom.  Albuquerque has similar weather and is booming.  Kansas City is much colder, farther from the coast, and has been seeing great vitality recently.

Heck, Portland is dreary most of the time.

Seems to be economics plays a bigger roll than climate in most instances.  Of course all the other factors come into play too, but so many varied climate cities are doing well: desert (Albuquerque, Vegas, Phoenix), rain forestish (Portland), coastal (Houston, San Diego), mountain (Denver area) and plains (KC).  I hope Tulsa has the economics in place as well as infrastructure to attract new residents - only then would most people look at climate in my opinion.