Beer laws

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.

There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.

There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."

From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.

Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub


If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest?  How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?

Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?

http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5

I believe oktoberfest is 3.2

The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.

I won't drink the stuff.  It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.  When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit.  It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight).  What a deal.  As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9.  And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s.  It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer.  So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.

The Spaten and other good beers at Oktoberfest aren't even made in 3.2 varieties, are they?

I instantly lose all respect for the people who are drinking 3.2 budweiser at oktoberfest. I really do enjoy Oktoberfest but ours should be ineligible for inclusion onto any 'best oktoberfest' lists with all that pee water that most people drink.

I end up having to go out of my way to get actual german beer, walking past lots of budweiser/miller vendors on the way.

I don't think Spaten makes 3.2 versions of their beers.  It does surprise me that some small breweries do make 3.2 beer, such as Boulevard Brewing Company in KC.  "Regular" Boulevard Wheat is one of my favorite beers, but the 3.2 version is plain awful.

And if any of you have never had a full-strength Bud or Miller or other "mainstream" domestic, try one next time you're out of state.  While they can't compete with higher quality beers, they are 100 times better than 3.2 beer.  The gap between "good" beer and full strength mainline beer is less than the gap between full strength domestics and 3.2 domestics.

Best Oktoberfest I ever went to was in Concordia, Missouri.  Run by REAL Germans (Concordia, like Cole Camp and other small Missouri towns is majority German) and no 3.2 beer to be found.  They sell regular domestics as well as "premium" beers.  

Maybe it's the German in me that abhors wimpy beer.  I cannot imagine those towns in Missouri having to put up with the hated 3.2 beer, there would be riots.  Speaking of the Show Me State, they have some of the best alcohol laws in the region.  You can walk up to the counter in a QT in Missouri and ask for a bottle of Jack Daniels (they keep it behind the counter).  And, even better, you can buy a sixer or 12 pack or 30 pack of full strength beer.  When I was living in KC back around 2002, I lived near the QT on Parvin Rd near I-435.  They had a special going for a sixer of Busch for $2.99. so I ended up drinking Busch for a while when I wanted a beer.  Full strengh Busch is actually pretty decent, and some domestics like Bud Ice are rather good as well (and at 5.5%, fairly potent).

Did anybody read the article in the Urban Tulsa a few weeks back about the OK alcohol laws?  I'm still dizzy from reading it.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub


If you can't go outside with anything over 3.2%, how do you explain the high point German beer sold at Oktoberfest?  How do you explain all the Wine tasting events?

Or did they get brewers and vintners to make 3.2% beer and wine?

http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/ofest2007/Pages.aspx?pageid=5

I believe oktoberfest is 3.2

The Germans should sue Tulsa for having an "Oktoberfest" with the 3.2 pee water beer.

I won't drink the stuff.  It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.  When I drink, which is rare, I get a high-point beer like Spaten Optimator (7.2) and put it in my freezer for a bit.  It tastes MUCH better and I get a nice buzz off of one 16.9 oz bottle which costs something like $1.79 at the Parkhill liquor store, and 2 of them make me pretty wasted (I'm a lightweight).  What a deal.  As a non-native, I cannot understand why anybody would buy the 3.2 beer, unless it's on Sunday or after 9.  And if you are worried about price, you can get a sixer of full strength Pabst for about the same as a sixer of the hated 3.2 beer mandated by a bunch of prudes in the 50s.  It's funny, but most of my friends that are from here don't drink full strength beer.  So when I'm offered a beer, I ask if it's 3.2 and if it is, I politely decline the offer.

The Spaten and other good beers at Oktoberfest aren't even made in 3.2 varieties, are they?

I instantly lose all respect for the people who are drinking 3.2 budweiser at oktoberfest. I really do enjoy Oktoberfest but ours should be ineligible for inclusion onto any 'best oktoberfest' lists with all that pee water that most people drink.

I end up having to go out of my way to get actual german beer, walking past lots of budweiser/miller vendors on the way.

I don't think Spaten makes 3.2 versions of their beers.  It does surprise me that some small breweries do make 3.2 beer, such as Boulevard Brewing Company in KC.  "Regular" Boulevard Wheat is one of my favorite beers, but the 3.2 version is plain awful.

And if any of you have never had a full-strength Bud or Miller or other "mainstream" domestic, try one next time you're out of state.  While they can't compete with higher quality beers, they are 100 times better than 3.2 beer.  The gap between "good" beer and full strength mainline beer is less than the gap between full strength domestics and 3.2 domestics.

Best Oktoberfest I ever went to was in Concordia, Missouri.  Run by REAL Germans (Concordia, like Cole Camp and other small Missouri towns is majority German) and no 3.2 beer to be found.  They sell regular domestics as well as "premium" beers.  

Maybe it's the German in me that abhors wimpy beer.  I cannot imagine those towns in Missouri having to put up with the hated 3.2 beer, there would be riots.  Speaking of the Show Me State, they have some of the best alcohol laws in the region.  You can walk up to the counter in a QT in Missouri and ask for a bottle of Jack Daniels (they keep it behind the counter).  And, even better, you can buy a sixer or 12 pack or 30 pack of full strength beer.  When I was living in KC back around 2002, I lived near the QT on Parvin Rd near I-435.  They had a special going for a sixer of Busch for $2.99. so I ended up drinking Busch for a while when I wanted a beer.  Full strengh Busch is actually pretty decent, and some domestics like Bud Ice are rather good as well (and at 5.5%, fairly potent).

Did anybody read the article in the Urban Tulsa a few weeks back about the OK alcohol laws?  I'm still dizzy from reading it.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.

There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.

There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."

From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.

Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.

Tulsa could do worse than looking at Beale Street for inspiration.  However, Beale Street is near some shady areas of Memphis ("shady areas" and "Memphis" is somewhat of a redundancy) and this does cause some problems.  Little Rock's River Market should also be looked at for inspiration as it has become a huge success.  A mini-Beale Street in a nicer part of Tulsa would be a huge tourist draw as tourists come from all over the country to visit Beale Street.

[Wilbur]

Octoberfest does sell real beer.  One tent, along the west side, sells real beer, which is usually Spaten.  I'll agree that selling 3.2 beer at Octoberfest is almost anti something!

Some events, such as Octoberfest, can get a temporary liquor license through ABLE, which allows them to sell liquor (strong beer, wine).

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

So I can't walk out of Mayfest with a beer? There seems to be no effort to contain the perimeter to prevent anybody from walking out with a beer or walking in with their own beer.

There is security but they aren't blocking the entrances. However it's pretty obvious if you brought something in from outside since no coolers or backpacks are allowed and Mayfest beer is in a 16oz plastic cup.

There is no-one physically stopping you from walking out of the festival with a beer but 99% of laws don't involve police officers sitting there going "no, no, don't do that.."

From past experience I just expected there to be some effort to keep people from leaving with beer. Bars generally have a doorman to stop that.

Beale Street only allows outdoor consumption at night when their barricades are set up and there are guards at every entrance.

Tulsa could do worse than looking at Beale Street for inspiration.  However, Beale Street is near some shady areas of Memphis ("shady areas" and "Memphis" is somewhat of a redundancy) and this does cause some problems.  Little Rock's River Market should also be looked at for inspiration as it has become a huge success.  A mini-Beale Street in a nicer part of Tulsa would be a huge tourist draw as tourists come from all over the country to visit Beale Street.

I  think part of the appeal of Beale Street is created by the history of Beale Street.  I guess we could create some action, didn't Disneyworld do that.  A history for something that had no history.  Maybe create an interesting story behind Marshall brewery.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by bugo

I won't drink the stuff.  It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.

If you are drinking beer or any alcoholic beverage "to get a buzz," you don't need to be drinking it in public, at any festival, restaurant, or public place.  If that is your goal, then at least stay at home to get your fix and keep the sober traveling public safe.

Where did I ever imply that I drink and drive?  Driving in Tulsa is dangerous enough as it is.   Unless you are some sort of prohibitionist who is against any consumption of alcohol, your comment is truly baffling.  

When I do drink, which is rare, I like to drink at home.  I don't like to go to bars so that is not a problem.  And I very very rarely drink enough to get drunk.  Maybe once a year if that.  I don't like being drunk.  It makes me feel extremely depressed.  And I don't like hangovers.  When I say "buzz" I refer to the relaxed feeling you get after drinking a couple of beers.  I thought everyone knew the difference between "drunk" and "buzzed."  And I never drink beer with meals, and I usually don't drink during the rare festival that I attend.  I don't even drink at live shows such as the N.E.R.D. show at Cain's.

[Red Arrow]

Steve,

I believe that part of what you quoted includes were Bugo says he likes to drink at home.  I won't address buzzed v.s. drunk.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by bugo

I won't drink the stuff.  It tastes horrible, it gives me a headache, and you have to drink a gallon of it to get a buzz.

If you are drinking beer or any alcoholic beverage "to get a buzz," you don't need to be drinking it in public, at any festival, restaurant, or public place.  If that is your goal, then at least stay at home to get your fix and keep the sober traveling public safe.

Where did I ever imply that I drink and drive?  Driving in Tulsa is dangerous enough as it is.   Unless you are some sort of prohibitionist who is against any consumption of alcohol, your comment is truly baffling.  

When I do drink, which is rare, I like to drink at home.  I don't like to go to bars so that is not a problem.  And I very very rarely drink enough to get drunk.  Maybe once a year if that.  I don't like being drunk.  It makes me feel extremely depressed.  And I don't like hangovers.  When I say "buzz" I refer to the relaxed feeling you get after drinking a couple of beers.  I thought everyone knew the difference between "drunk" and "buzzed."  And I never drink beer with meals, and I usually don't drink during the rare festival that I attend.  I don't even drink at live shows such as the N.E.R.D. show at Cain's.

There is no difference between drunk and buzzed, at least as the law is concerned. You need to get a grip and do your drinking at home.

No, YOU need to get a grip and read what I posted instead of going on your temperance rant.  I certainly don't drink and drive, and the few times that I go out, I don't go causing problemss.  In fact, I am known as being a reliable designated driver among my group of peers because of my dislike of drunk driving.

I don't know what caused you to go off on me, but you have judged me ENTIRELY wrong, my friend.

[sauerkraut]

I'm surprised you can't drink beer outside in Tulsa. That's pretty strict.[]

[custosnox]

Well, as I was informed by one of the finests when a buddy of mine got arrested for public intox while in a friends garage, apparently you can be arrested for it at any time that you have consumed any alcohol and you have access to public.  According to this officer, you can get arrested for having a single beer in a bar, because it is a public place, and the law doesn't designate what the alocohol level is to be concidered intoxicated, unless you are driving.  How much of this is true, I don't really know.  I haven't taken the time to actually look it up.  Hmmm... I just might do that now.

[custosnox]

As I thought, this officer was full of it.  Here is the ordinance on this, and should answer some of your questions.  I am going to copy and past, since the previous link didn't work right.

quote:
CHAPTER 7
PUBLIC INTOXICATION
Section 700. Illegal Intoxication--Penalty.
SECTION 700. ILLEGAL INTOXICATION--PENALTY
A. Any person who shall, in any public place or in any vehicle, drink or
otherwise consume any intoxicating liquor containing more than three and two-tenths
percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight, except as authorized by the Oklahoma
Beverage Control Act, or any other intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound of
any kind or inhale glue, paint or other intoxicating substance, shall be guilty of an offense.
B. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated in or upon any public or
private road, in any vehicle, any public place or building, at any public gathering, place
accessible to the public, or open to being viewed by others, from drinking or consuming
such intoxicating liquor, intoxicating substance, or intoxicating compound or from the
inhalation of glue, paint or other intoxicating substances, shall be guilty of an offense.
C. Any person who shall be drunk or intoxicated from any cause and who
disturbs the peace of any person, shall be guilty of an offense.
D. It shall not be a violation of Subsection B of this section for any person to be
intoxicated on the premises of a private residence with the prior express consent of the
owner or any bona fide resident.
E. Any person found guilty of violating any offense included in this section
shall be punished by a fine of not more than TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS ($200.00),
excluding costs, fees and assessments.

[custosnox]

and I will throw this one in for good measure

quote:
CHAPTER 9
INTOXICATING LIQUORS
Section 900. Definitions.
Section 901. Permitting Intoxicated Persons to Remain in Cafe, Restaurant
or Place of Recreation.
Section 902. Possession of Alcoholic Beverage by a Minor.
Section 903. Misrepresentation of Age.
Section 904. Consumption or Possession of Nonintoxicating Alcoholic
Beverage In a Public Place by a Person Under Twenty-one
Years of Age.

SECTION 900. DEFINITIONS
When used in this chapter, the following words and phrases shall have the
meanings given herein.
A. Alcohol. The term "alcohol" shall mean and include hydrated oxide of ethyl,
ethyl alcohol, ethanol or spirits of wine from whatever source or by whatever process
produced. It does not include wood alcohol or alcohol which has been denatured or
produced as denatured in accordance with acts of Congress and regulations promulgated
thereunder.
B. Alcoholic Beverage. The term "alcoholic beverage" shall mean and include
alcohol, spirits, beer and wine as those terms are defined herein and also includes every
liquid or solid, patented or not, containing alcohol, spirits, wine or beer and capable of
being consumed as a beverage by human beings, which contains more than three and
two-tenths percent (3.2%) alcohol measured by weight.
C. Beer. The term "beer" shall mean and include any malt, hops or grainfermented
beverage containing three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) or less but more than
one-hundredth percent (.01%) of alcohol by weight. Beer in excess of three and twotenths
percent (3.2%) shall be considered an alcoholic beverage.
D. Licensee. The term "licensee" shall mean and include any person holding
a license as required by the Oklahoma Alcoholic Beverage Control Act, and any agent,
servant or employee of such licensee while in the performance of any act or duty in
connection with the licensed business or on the licensed premises.
E. Original Package. The term "original package" shall mean and include any
container of alcoholic beverage filled and stamped or sealed by the manufacturer.
F. Premises. The term "premises" shall mean and include the building, room
and equipment under the control of the licensee and used in connection with or in the
furtherance of the business covered by the license.
G. Sale. The term "sale" shall mean and include any transfer, exchange or barter
in any manner or by any means whatsoever and includes and means all sales made by
any person, whether as principal, proprietor, agent, servant or employee.
H. Spirits. The term "spirits" shall mean and include any beverage other than
wine or beer which contains more than three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) alcohol
measured by weight and obtained by distillation, whether or not mixed with other
substances and solutions. The term "spirits" includes those products known as whiskey,
brandy, rum, gin, vodka, liqueurs, cordials, fortified wine and similar compounds but shall
not include any alcoholic liquid completely denatured in accordance with acts of Congress
and regulations pursuant thereto.

SECTION 901. PERMITTING INTOXICATED PERSONS TO REMAIN IN
CAFE, RESTAURANT OR PLACE OF RECREATION
It shall be an offense for any person operating a cafe or restaurant or any place of
recreation to permit any person to be drunk or intoxicated in such place of business. Any
person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than
ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, and/or by imprisonment in the City
Jail for a period of not more than thirty (30) days.

SECTION 902. POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BY A MINOR
It shall be an offense for any person under the age of twenty-one (21) years to be
in possession of any intoxicating alcoholic beverage in any public place. Any person
convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than ONE
HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, and/or by imprisonment in the City Jail
for a period of not more than thirty (30) days.

SECTION 903. MISREPRESENTATION OF AGE
Any person under twenty-one (21) years who shall misrepresent his age in writing
or by presenting false documentation of age for the purpose of inducing any person to sell
or serve him alcoholic beverage shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction
thereof shall be punished by a fine of not less than TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS
($250.00) nor more than FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500.00), excluding costs.

SECTION 904. CONSUMPTION OR POSSESSION OF NONINTOXICATING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN A PUBLIC PLACE BY A PERSON UNDER TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE
It shall be an offense for any person under twenty-one (21) years of age to consume
or possess with the intention to consume non-intoxicating alcoholic beverage or beer
containing more than one-half of one percent (1/2 of 1%) of alcohol measured by volume
and not more than three and two-tenths percent (3.2%) of alcohol measured by weight.
Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more
than ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100.00), excluding costs, or by appropriate community
service not to exceed twenty (20) hours. Provided, the provisions of this section shall not
apply when such person is under the direct supervision of his parent or guardian, but in
no instance shall this exception be interpreted to allow such person to consume such
beverage in any place licensed to dispense non-intoxicating alcoholic beverage as
provided in 37 O.S. § 163.11.
Ord. Nos. 16462, 20184

[Breadburner]

You can get a public intox and not even be drunk....

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

You can get a public intox and not even be drunk....

Yep, unless you stay in the bar.  You have the owners permission at that point lol.  If not, the bar won't stay open long.