The War For Oil in Iraq

[FOTD]

Obama's Secret War Profiteering Tax

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/obamas-secret-war-profiteering-tax

"I can't make this up:

In a hotel room in Brussels, the chief executives of the world's top oil companies unrolled a huge map of the Middle East, drew a fat, red line around Iraq and signed their names to it.

The map, the red line, the secret signatures. It explains this war. It explains this week's rocketing of the price of oil to $134 a barrel.

It happened on July 31, 1928, but the bill came due now.

Barack Obama knows this."



The evidence to back this up: 2002 Oil & Gas Journal on need for Iraq War to keep Saddam from pumping too much oil when sanctions came off, statements of oil execs after the war started, and in transcripts of Tony Blair & Bush's meetings before the war, Bush sent his assurances to Putin that a successful Iraq War would NOT lower oil prices.

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/03/oil-too-cheap-if-no-iraq-war-says-oil.html

The ENTIRE endeavor of the "No-Fly Zone" scam used for 12 years, from 1991 to 2003 was specifically to keep Iraqi Oil in the ground, to stifle development of it. Iraq has the 2nd largest and best-quality fields outside of Saudi Arabia. And they have been largely preserved until now, the Day of Peak Oil.

And the Attack and Occupation of Iraq have tripled Big Oil profits and screwed the one's who can least afford it.

And that's why they are OK with pipeline bombings and refinery fires. Keep up the random violence, drive away investors, keep Iraq's oil off the market and record record profits and compensation.


This is why it's believable that they'd nuke Iran. So what if we can't get in to get the oil, we keep it off the market (and out of China's reach).

[shadows]

FOTD:
This is why it's believable that they'd nuke Iran. So what if we can't get in to get the oil, we keep it off the market (and out of China's reach).

In the event we were ever to make such a threat against China we should remember China invented the rocket, gunpowder, have nuclear capability and are about thirty minutes from turning half of the US into radio active dust.  Under their system of planning and government we had better let the sleeping dog have a long nap.  The oil is such case would be the lesser of ours or their worries.

In five years we have failed to bring a country about twice the size Oklahoma and with less than one tenth of our total population to say "Yes Sir";  yet let alone reinstalling its exile government.    

[custosnox]

ummmm... folks?  The paranoid, conspiracy therorists meeting is down the hall to the left.  You must have made a mistake getting off the elevator, this is the reality check meeting.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

ummmm... folks?  The paranoid, conspiracy therorists meeting is down the hall to the left.  You must have made a mistake getting off the elevator, this is the reality check meeting.

You don't believe that the oil cartels conspire to keep production limited enough that their profit margins stay astronomical?  Did you miss the news about the artificial oil price spike?  Perhaps you are in need of a reality check.

When I see our economy as we know it being willfully destroyed by those in power, I'm open to study any possibility of why this is happening and how it can be stopped.

So as to say, I might not sign off on what FOTD posts as 100% or correct, but I do not fault or slander him for merely talking about something.

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

ummmm... folks?  The paranoid, conspiracy therorists meeting is down the hall to the left.  You must have made a mistake getting off the elevator, this is the reality check meeting.

You don't believe that the oil cartels conspire to keep production limited enough that their profit margins stay astronomical?  Did you miss the news about the artificial oil price spike?  Perhaps you are in need of a reality check.

When I see our economy as we know it being willfully destroyed by those in power, I'm open to study any possibility of why this is happening and how it can be stopped.

So as to say, I might not sign off on what FOTD posts as 100% or correct, but I do not fault or slander him for merely talking about something.

Oh, I never said I don't believe that the cartels are minupulating the prices to their own, obvious personal gains.  Nor that oil hasn't played a big part in the wars, and the uncertain state of our economy.  But in the context that has been delivered, with execs maping off Iraq like claim stakers, insinuating that they were the ones that started the wars just to make money, and using a "no-fly" zone to perpetuate a scam is from way out there in conspirecyvill.  The reality here is this,  there is a war in Iraq, oil prices are through the roof, oil companies are making off like bandits.  Now logical speculations upon other related facts (ie Bush has invetsment in oil, so it is likely that the oil in the Middle East is a strong motivator in his initiation and continuance in the War) are one thing.   But when you buy into unfounded stories that start looking like a "cry baby bridge" urban legend, then your stepping past the bounds of reality.  Next thing you know, FOTD will be quoting the single bullet theory.

[waterboy]

Add me to the list that think these aren't way out conspiracy theories. Corporations are not very flag loyal (they even locate out of country for tax purposes!)and the CEO's are notorious for feeding their egos with power plays. They rationalize it with claims of self sufficiency and domestic security. I still remember the phrase one titan used, "What's good for GE is good for America" ...or was it GM? Same difference. Its not like they need the money or that oil companies are greedy. Its just "bidness".

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Add me to the list that think these aren't way out conspiracy theories. Corporations are not very flag loyal (they even locate out of country for tax purposes!)and the CEO's are notorious for feeding their egos with power plays. They rationalize it with claims of self sufficiency and domestic security. I still remember the phrase one titan used, "What's good for GE is good for America" ...or was it GM? Same difference. Its not like they need the money or that oil companies are greedy. Its just "bidness".

And here I was thinking you would underdtand what I was saying better then this.  I know the oil companies are out for only themselves, and that they will turn a profit no matter who it hurts.  I'm just saying that the scenario laid out above is just a bit from left field.

[shadows]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

ummmm... folks?  The paranoid, conspiracy therorists meeting is down the hall to the left.  You must have made a mistake getting off the elevator, this is the reality check meeting.

Didn't I say that the new city hall, intertwining public and private businesses, would take a guide to tell one which floor they were looking for.

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

ummmm... folks?  The paranoid, conspiracy therorists meeting is down the hall to the left.  You must have made a mistake getting off the elevator, this is the reality check meeting.

Didn't I say that the new city hall, intertwining public and private businesses, would take a guide to tell one which floor they were looking for.

umm... excuse me, I need to go check to see if the sky is falling.  Shadows just posted something that I liked.  Heck, I even chuckeled.  Does this mean that I am haveing a mental breakdown?

[FOTD]

Senate intelligence committee says in a long-awaited report that Bush and his top aides repeatedly exaggerated Iraq's impact before the war. "In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when it was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even non-existent," committee chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060501523.html

"The conclusions were sharply criticized by several key Republicans"

Exagerated or lied? Same in the one.

[RecycleMichael]

President Bush blamed faulty intelligence for invading Iraq.

Yes, DNA is a b*tch.

[iplaw]

When the war first began the mantra was "No war for oil" and the left was constantly *****ing because we were supposedly going to "steal" oil from the Iraqis.  Now that it's been proven uneqivocally that we NEVER took oil from the Iraqis, nor did we have plans to, the conspiracy theory has changed.  Bravo!  Nice job having it both ways folks...

We went into Iraq to suppress the production of oil?  Conspiracy theorists are all the same...

Not mention that oil EXPORTS from Iraq are above 2003 invasion levels, but hell, don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

[FOTD]

Hard to produce when everything is broken.....
Broken promises too....

[Gaspar]

Iraq is increasing production to 3 million barrels per day by the end of this month.  Kirkuk is online and they have begun revenue sharing with the Kurds.  

Too bad you have to rely on international news sources (Reuters) to report this rather than our major networks.

But this is still all bad news right?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Hard to produce when everything is broken.....
Broken promises too....

What the hell are you even talking about?  Click on this link: www.google.com and search for the terms "Iraqi oil production" and take some time to educate yourself about the topic before you talk about it anymore.  The world will thank you.