Hillary to Acknowledge Obama as the Nominee

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Hillary will concede on Friday.

I think it's set for Saturday, RM.  For those interested in hearing her.  I am glad she is doing the right thing to unite the party.

As for the Vice Presidency, if after analysis he decides that she would be the best candidate, I hope he does choose her.  But he needs to look at who will best help him get elected.  He may need someone with more foreign policy experience.  Or someone from the south.  Or a governor, and not another senator.  And he definitely has to choose someone who recognizes that he is on the top of the ticket.  I don't know if she is going to be happy deferring to him.  And I don't think demanding or threatening, as HT does, is a good way to start such a critical relationship as president/vice president.  Still, I am sure she will be considered.

[RecycleMichael]

I hope Obama doesn't pick Hillary. I think there are better choices to complement him.

I hope he does include her in some capacity. She has many talents.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I hope Obama doesn't pick Hillary. I think there are better choices to complement him.

I hope he does include her in some capacity. She has many talents.

Well said.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Oh, and just a little warning, we better see Clinton offered the vice presidency or we'll risk losing something bigger than the election.

I've asked this before but didn't hear back from you, so I'll ask you again directly:  do you think Hillary would be a good VP?  Since President is off the table, is VP the next best use of her talents?  

It's a bad choice, IMO. . . not because she's unqualified but because that's a step down for her. It acknowledges what she's done but doesn't help where she's going.  

You seem to really want a lot of mea culpas and special considerations, as if he's done her wrong somehow.  What's the deal?

We vs Us.  Short answer.  Yes, she would be great at riding shotgun.  She would bring in the working class, Latin and women's vote. And it would prevent a split in the party.

Pmcalk, I didn't threaten.  I warned.  You know sort of like a mother cautioning her child.  Every insult to Clinton is an insult to her supporters and there is something bigger than winning this election at stake.

Since Obama has not been nominated I can freely say that I believe McCain is likely to win this election, but by bringing Clinton onto the ticket it will avoid a split in the party.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

It was interesting to listen to the talking heads acknowledge Obama's apparent victory last night. Each and every one of them used the occasion to talk about Obama as a symbol of Black progress -- period.  There was no discussion about Obama's plan for the U.S.  There was no discussion about Obama as an individual.  Literally every comment revolved around how far Blacks have come in the U.S. and how good it made everyone feel.

What are you trying to say?  That Obama has no plans and Hillary's the one who knows everything... that couldn't be further from the truth... click on issues, then compare to Hillary's stuff... you'll find not alot of difference between the two of them on any issue...

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

quote:
After listening to Obama this past year I still have no sense of what Obama the individual is planning to do other than end the war and shoot for watered down Universal Healthcare.

And your candidate would MANDATE coverage and has the medical lobby in her pocket.  Obama's plans are close to HRC's, but he won't mandate that millions of likely younger Americans be forced to pay out the wazoo or face the consequences (fine?jail time?) to achieve "universal care"... Neither of their plans are going to be what we get, btw... there will be compromises, and if there are no compromises... well... you get the 90s, when Hillary Clinton's healthcare initiative  went absolutely nowhere.

Do you have any memory of Hillarycare at all???

Others in that debate a the time wanted single payer.  The Clintons' "watered down" proposal was "managed care" -- http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Health_Care.htm

In 1993, Hillary's Health Care Task Force was running into major obstacles. The first one was self-inflicted. Given Hillary's penchant for secrecy, doctors were shut out of the task force's deliberations, as were lobbyists and journalists. Behind closed doors, Hillary began working toward her vision: universal coverage, cost containment, more primary care physicians, managed competition, and global budgeting. In effect, Hillary was attempting to reform a system larger than the entire economy of Italy.

Hillary's 1993 plan for managed competition would band employers and employees into huge cooperatives with the bargaining power to challenge the insurance industry. It would force doctors, hospitals, and insurers to form partnerships in order to compete in offering the highest-quality health care at the lowest cost. The new competitive health marketplace would be overseen by a National Health Board.

quote:But the truth is once he is president Obama will be very much an individual with his own unique agenda that has very little or nothing to do with being a symbol of Black progress.  After one year in the public eye, he is still a big surprise package.

It'll be a nice surprise... but Hillary has to get off the stage so Obama can start to talk about issues... and go beyond responding to  gender-based politics...  

quote:Geraldine F. was right on target when she said we were buying into a concept with Obama.  The concept is the symbol of Black progress in the U.S.

No.  Geraldine was talking about herself.  She was a bad choice.  Fritz-n-tits was one of the weakest tickets in Dem history.  Thanks, HT... for taking up for a racist New Yorker...

"if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."-- Geraldine Ferraro, April 15, 1988

"Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender.... That's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems." Barack Obama, 2008

quote:Oh, and just a little warning, we better see Clinton offered the vice presidency or we'll risk losing something bigger than the election.

She's polarized her supporters and is now making a power play for the VP and trying to address her campaign debts... but that will change once David Axelrod confronts the Clintons with the kind of vetting for the last 8 years that will be needed to make sure the Clintons' don't suck all the oxygen out of Obama's campaign.  

I don't think the Obama campaign wants to deal with the stories of Bill Clinton's business dealings in Colombia, China, Kazakhstan, Dubai.... reminders of how Hillary Clinton's brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, lobbied the president on behalf of criminals who then received presidential pardons or a sentence commutation... or an expose on the shady dealings for donations to the Clinton Library???

quote:I didn't threaten. I warned. You know sort of like a mother cautioning her child. Every insult to Clinton is an insult to her supporters and there is something bigger than winning this election at stake.

Great.  Except I think her support among Reagan democrat blue collar workers isn't all that deep... in the 90s, I remember those types of "white folks" used to HATE her.  And this year would rather have voted for John Edwards, but are scared of Barack Obama's name and are susceptible to voting for racist reasons and vile rumors about his religion...

I'd much rather see Obama fight for swing states in Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Virginia rather than pandering to voters in West Virginia and Ohio... the map needs to change.

[okiebybirth]

"Some in the Clinton camp also noted a possible deal-breaker for a party-unity ticket: Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library...

A former president's global travels for his humanitarian foundation, speeches here and abroad for which he has received up to a quarter-million dollars, financial deals and everyday utterances could pose "a whole host" of conflicts with the policies of an Obama administration, Democrats say."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121262109484746703.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

[Hometown]

Other than the Republican Hate Machine, the biggest obstacle Obama faces now is getting the the votes of Clinton's half of the party.

And his best shot at winning is riding a wave of national revulsion over Baby Bush -- a vote "against" Baby Bush politics, not a vote "for" Obama.

[RecycleMichael]

I don't anticipate Obama having any real problem getting the Hillary supporters. His policies are similar and he will reach out to them.

McCain is in real trouble. Republican conservatives think he is too moderate, democrats think he is wrong on the war, and yound Americans think he is too old.

Even safe republican seats in the house and senate are in play this time. There is a backlash against how Bush has taken the republican party and it won't change between now and November.

[Hometown]

I'm waiting for and haven't seen any significant outreach.

I did see that Obama is going to keep Dean in his current leadership position and I don't like that move.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Hillary will concede on Friday.

As for the Vice Presidency....

He may need someone with more foreign policy experience....  

Richardson

Or someone from the south....  

Okay, southwest, Richardson []

Or a governor...

Richardson

And he definitely has to choose someone who recognizes that he is on the top of the ticket...  

Richardson

Bill Richardson.  And he's been the head of the DOE as well which would be some good experience to have on staff right now.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have the mass appeal or overwhelming charisma.  One thing he does have in his favor is he flipped to Obama real quick after terminating his own campaign at the risk of alienating the Clintons, so he's seen as an Obama loyalist.

Honestly, I thought he had the best experience and resume out of the entire GOP and Dem field this year and I think he would have been a good moderate.

Democrats seemed more interested in making history this time than selecting the best-suited candidate for these times.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I don't anticipate Obama having any real problem getting the Hillary supporters. His policies are similar and he will reach out to them.

McCain is in real trouble. Republican conservatives think he is too moderate, democrats think he is wrong on the war, and yound Americans think he is too old.

Even safe republican seats in the house and senate are in play this time. There is a backlash against how Bush has taken the republican party and it won't change between now and November.

I agree.  In the end, Obama should be able to unite the party without much problem and Clinton will help him do it.  She's still a team player, and still a Democrat.  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I don't anticipate Obama having any real problem getting the Hillary supporters. His policies are similar and he will reach out to them.

McCain is in real trouble. Republican conservatives think he is too moderate, democrats think he is wrong on the war, and yound Americans think he is too old.

Even safe republican seats in the house and senate are in play this time. There is a backlash against how Bush has taken the republican party and it won't change between now and November.

I agree.  In the end, Obama should be able to unite the party without much problem and Clinton will help him do it.  She's still a team player, and still a Democrat.  

Yeah, but don't you know she's pissed as all hell under all this.  I think that's why she's waited all week to concede.  I think they've been running their traps to see if there's any hope at all, and probably letting her cool down a bit.

I do give her props for not giving up easily, but honestly, I'm not so sure I'd care to have such a self-serving person as my running mate if I were BHO.  

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I'm waiting for and haven't seen any significant outreach.

I did see that Obama is going to keep Dean in his current leadership position and I don't like that move.

Seriously, man, he's talking about her glowingly at every speech he makes.  Look around the web a bit and you'll find some great examples.

They've also met privately to discuss how to proceed. Which I personally would take as a pretty rock solid sign of outreach.

Is it that he's just not called you personally or what?

[Hometown]

This subject is too serious to let the conversation descend into being cute.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I don't anticipate Obama having any real problem getting the Hillary supporters. His policies are similar and he will reach out to them.

McCain is in real trouble. Republican conservatives think he is too moderate, democrats think he is wrong on the war, and yound Americans think he is too old.

Even safe republican seats in the house and senate are in play this time. There is a backlash against how Bush has taken the republican party and it won't change between now and November.

I agree.  In the end, Obama should be able to unite the party without much problem and Clinton will help him do it.  She's still a team player, and still a Democrat.  

Yeah, but don't you know she's pissed as all hell under all this.  I think that's why she's waited all week to concede.  I think they've been running their traps to see if there's any hope at all, and probably letting her cool down a bit.

I do give her props for not giving up easily, but honestly, I'm not so sure I'd care to have such a self-serving person as my running mate if I were BHO.  

Somewhere -- and I don't know exactly where -- her tenacity jumped the shark. Turned from cool into not-so-cool.  And yeah, you know she's pissed.  She's used to fighting hard but she's also used to winning.  

IMO, Obama's win is a strong signal to the old guard of the Dem party that new ideas will carry the day rather than the same old same old.  Clinton fought hard but still fought conventionally. That may not be obvious to an outside looking in -- you're still gonna see Obama fight for some core Dem ideals, like universal healthcare, addressing global warming, ending the war in Iraq, etc -- but the methods of achieving that will be new, or at least all the old stuff will be rethought.

Obama's already decreed that both he and the DNC itself won't take lobbyist money through this election cycle. That's a pretty strong signal right there that the old ways won't remain unchallenged.  The other part is keeping Dean on at the DNC.  Dean's harshed on by old line Dems, but has undeniably expanded the reach of the DNC, and has successfully mounted challenges to Republicans in places that the old guard leadership had simply let slide in the past.  And he's been willing to find Dems in unconventional places, including a slew of "fighting Dems," veterans and military men who've come back from Iraq and Afghanistan incensed by our foreign policy and who've signed up to run for office as Ds.  Jim Webb is a great example, but definitely not the only one.