Obama fundraiser found guilty

[Kenosha]

RM:

Don't be a hypocrite...I love..want to love Bill Clinton, but his major downfall is his inability to surround himself with the right people, at least in terms of "friends" and "associates"...his  relationships outside of Hillary in general have become distasteful at best. It was that way in the White House, to a lesser degree than now, but I assure you it will be his downfall.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house is really my point.  We've found ONE guy that is unsavory in Obama's past, and he has owned up to  it, and expressed regret for dealing with him.  This was reported and vetted in the Chicago Tribune nearly two years ago.  If you want dirty laundry....

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807

The real question is, "Why hasn't Hillary disassociated herself from THAT guy...?"

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

...republicans fall in line with theirs.

Or vote for the nut-job independent and hand the White House to the Democrat. []

Better chance I will not vote for Obama in November.  However, if he is elected I will at least show him the respect the position of POTUS deserves, a respect a lot of people have forgotten to show the office over the years.

[RecycleMichael]

If you think that his relationship with this guy is over, you are being naive. Having a friendly hometown newspaper talk about it two years ago does not close the door.

That was before Obama ran for President and this guy went to trial and was found guilty.

If I am a hypocrite for supporting Hillary when she has an equal or greater number of scandals, I guess I am. But doesn't it bother you that you just justified Obama by attacking Bill? And yes, I agree, she would have done better without him.

That is what has baffled me about this campaign season. Every time Obama did something wrong it was countered with attacks on Hillary. He lost 10 of the last 15 primaries, yet everyone was covered by a story about how he was ahead and she should quit.

I believe that Hillary unbeknowingly did a great service to Obama by running to the end. She provided great employment to media outlets who were in attack mode 24/7. She deflected everything that would have been directed at him.

I hope that the democrats rally behind Obama. I have. The most important democrat in America for the next three days is Hillary. I hope she shows graciousness and pledges to do all she can to get Obama elected.

[USRufnex]

^^^
Welcome to Hillaryland.  
Home of the great polarizer.

[USRufnex]

HILLARY LOST TWELVE CONTESTS IN A ROW.

She was mathematically eliminated two months ago... unless Hillary Clinton got 70% of the vote for the final 15 contests... 80% for the final 12... 85% for the final.... ?

"I believe that Hillary unbeknowingly did a great service to Obama by running to the end. She provided great employment to media outlets who were in attack mode 24/7. She deflected everything that would have been directed at him."

Would you like some cheese with that whine... blame the media, blame Obama... blame the system... blame the caucuses... blame black voters... blame the men... blame the media again...

Tell us it's gonna be over on Super Tuesday... tell us it's about the delegates when Hillary has a lead in superdelegates... tell us it's about the big states... tell us it's not about caucuses... tell us it's about the popular vote, as if this is some sort of national primary... tell us it's all about Puerto Rico when PR won't count in the general election... tell us you're ahead in the the popular vote only when caucus goers aren't counted as voters...  

Truly delusional.  

Especially when a campaign puts logic on its ear... when Terry McAuliffe tells the media "I think this thing will finally be over on Feb 5".... or Howard Wolfson says, "This is a race for delegates"........ then argue the complete opposite a few short weeks later......

"Your strategy right now appears to be: If we act deranged enough, maybe they'll just give us the country."
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/06/terry-mcauliffe.html

[spoonbill]

. . . . so it begins.

[RecycleMichael]

I am talking about Obama and you keep talking about Hillary.

An very inside Obama supporter gets in trouble and your response is to not write a single word defending Obama. Your entire argument so far has been to attack Hillary.

Quite cheesy of you.

[iplaw]

Originally posted by USRufnex
Well then Socrates, let me ask you this, when has Obama drawn crowds of 75,000 before this?  The only thing close was when he spoke before 30,000 in South Carolina...but I can't imagine that had anything to do with Oprah being there...

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Originally posted by USRufnex
Well then Socrates, let me ask you this, when has Obama drawn crowds of 75,000 before this?  The only thing close was when he spoke before 30,000 in South Carolina...but I can't imagine that had anything to do with Oprah being there...

Ever been to Portland, IP?  Pretty lib, progressive city. Pretty unsurprising if you stop and think about it for a second.

[iplaw]

I have been there, and he didn't draw that big of a crowd on his own, period.  Just like he didn't draw 30,000 in S.C., but for Oprah.

There aren't 75,000 people lame enough in any city to attend a political rally.

[cannon_fodder]

I got beat to the "you are who you hang with" punchline.  Kudos.

Seriously, Obama's affiliation with this guy is no worse than Hillary's with a slew of criminals.  From ones her husband pardoned to Chinese nationalist fund raisers whose contributions she had to return.  Since she has been in the game longer, I'm guessing her list of "people she hangs with" is dirtier than his - and at a higher level.

[iplaw]

Other than the fact that he lies, mis-informs, whatever you want to call it, about relationships with these people, like Ayers and Rezco, and then recants and changes his story when more details come out.

In contradistinction, I don't think Hillary ever recants about anything.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I got beat to the "you are who you hang with" punchline.  Kudos.

Seriously, Obama's affiliation with this guy is no worse than Hillary's with a slew of criminals.  From ones her husband pardoned to Chinese nationalist fund raisers whose contributions she had to return.  Since she has been in the game longer, I'm guessing her list of "people she hangs with" is dirtier than his - and at a higher level.

I am not sure about that. Obama is an unproven and untested politician. He has almost no legislative track record and has been running essentially on his image. The effect of something like this, coupled with his other problems (Wright, Ayers, and Michelle's mouth) works directly against his strongest asset--which in my opinion is his image.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I got beat to the "you are who you hang with" punchline.  Kudos.

Seriously, Obama's affiliation with this guy is no worse than Hillary's with a slew of criminals.  From ones her husband pardoned to Chinese nationalist fund raisers whose contributions she had to return.  Since she has been in the game longer, I'm guessing her list of "people she hangs with" is dirtier than his - and at a higher level.

I am not sure about that. Obama is an unproven and untested politician. He has almost no legislative track record and has been running essentially on his image. The effect of something like this, coupled with his other problems (Wright, Ayers, and Michelle's mouth) works directly against his strongest asset--which in my opinion is his image.

Not time to shake the table yet. . . but soon!

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

If you think that his relationship with this guy is over, you are being naive. Having a friendly hometown newspaper talk about it two years ago does not close the door.

That was before Obama ran for President and this guy went to trial and was found guilty.

If I am a hypocrite for supporting Hillary when she has an equal or greater number of scandals, I guess I am. But doesn't it bother you that you just justified Obama by attacking Bill? And yes, I agree, she would have done better without him.

That is what has baffled me about this campaign season. Every time Obama did something wrong it was countered with attacks on Hillary. He lost 10 of the last 15 primaries, yet everyone was covered by a story about how he was ahead and she should quit.

I believe that Hillary unbeknowingly did a great service to Obama by running to the end. She provided great employment to media outlets who were in attack mode 24/7. She deflected everything that would have been directed at him.

I hope that the democrats rally behind Obama. I have. The most important democrat in America for the next three days is Hillary. I hope she shows graciousness and pledges to do all she can to get Obama elected.

I wasn't 'justifying Obama' per se.  I was simply pointing out that your "major problem" with Obama was his associations, yet you've been able to look past the Clinton's seedy associations.  It seems petty, and nitpicky.  Politics as usual...

As far as the attacks on Hillary...everyone outside of the Hillary camp looks at it just the opposite, I think.  Hillary's campaign was the one in attack mode, not Obama's.  JMO.