Another Michelle Obama controversy?

[USRufnex]

"It's a country that has overcome many, many, now years, decades of, actually a couple of centuries, of trying to make good on its principles."

"And I think that what we're seeing is, an extraordinary expression of the fact that 'we the people,' is beginning to mean all of us," she added, referring to the opening line of the U.S. Constitution.

[Kenosha]

where is the controversy?

[Kenosha]

are you sure that wasn't Condi Rice who said that?

[iplaw]

Here's a couple more gems of wisdom from Michelle:

The realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know.

How insightful...you know, you know.


The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.

How true dear Comrades.

[cannon_fodder]

The "you know" idiom has been ruining a good number of talented speakers lately.  I'll be listening to an interview, or a guest speaker at TU, or some other orator give a rousing performance - only to pick up on "you know" being thrown in at every pause.  Black, white, or other race... it is a non-discriminatory habit.

Once I, you know, pick up on the phrase, you know, being thrown in quickly, you know, I notice that it is being thrown in at every break.  you know, it gets really annoying.  And, you know, it can ruin even the most interesting and best delivered lecture.

Drives me crazy.  Seriously, it's thrown in very quickly in the place of an "um" gap filler.  Argh!

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Here's a couple more gems of wisdom from Michelle:

The realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know.

How insightful...you know, you know.


The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.

How true dear Comrades.

First of all... a black male getting shot on the way to the gas station happens all too often on the southside of Chicago.  To the point, where it barely gets a headline in the papers anymore... compare that to the story of a rich, drunk, white co-ed who died in Aruba and the media frenzy that caused for months...

If Natalie Holloway would have been a black college co-ed name Michelle from the southside of Chicago, would Fox News have covered it?... or would they blame the victim...?

As for Michelle Obama's second statement, when republicans play the "pinko-commie card" on someone who dares speak of the ideals of equal opportunity and access to healthcare based on ability to pay, maybe you should step back and realize:

Those are CHRISTIAN VALUES.  []

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

where is the controversy?

Please do not disturb the bait.  []

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Here's a couple more gems of wisdom from Michelle:

The realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know.

How insightful...you know, you know.


The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.

How true dear Comrades.

First of all... a black male getting shot on the way to the gas station happens all too often on the southside of Chicago.  To the point, where it barely gets a headline in the papers anymore... compare that to the story of a rich, drunk, white co-ed who died in Aruba and the media frenzy that caused for months...

If Natalie Holloway would have been a black college co-ed name Michelle from the southside of Chicago, would Fox News have covered it?... or would they blame the victim...?

As for Michelle Obama's second statement, when republicans play the "pinko-commie card" on someone who dares speak of the ideals of equal opportunity and access to healthcare based on ability to pay, maybe you should step back and realize:

Those are CHRISTIAN VALUES.  []

Yeah, I can't imagine why the idea of redistribution of wealth garners the lable of "Marxist" ideas?  Would you prefer I call her a Trotskyist?

As to "christian values" why is it that you and Hometown assume that anyone who espouses a conservative philosophy is a "christian?"  Why do I care what the church thinks about any of this?

[USRufnex]

Ah.  The "redistribution of wealth" card.  [)]

If you make over 250k a year, it's no longer  about money... it's about power and control... it's about making sure your children have advantages nobody else has...

It's about making wealth based on your lineage and your economic class, not your talent, drive or skills...its about money that makes more money... and wealth that begats wealth... priviledge, prestige...

While other people who've worked all their lives are stuck in the cesspool of being one medical emergency from bankrupcy... if you lose your job, you get a letter from COBRA, and if you have a medical problem, the hospital will charge you double and force you to go into an emergency room since the clinics won't see you... capitalistic welfare in reverse where the working poor get charged more for loans, medicine... while republicans and democrats alike will continue to bail out the rich and powerful and preserve the intrinsic class warfare inherent in the status quo...

I tell ya what, Ippy..... the next time my Vietnam vet stepfather goes in for a colonoscopy at the VA Hospital and is told he won't be getting any anesthesia...

I'll just count my lucky stars and be grateful that we don't live in a country that believes in "redistribution of wealth."

Bite me.  Capitalist pig.
 

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Ah.  The "redistribution of wealth" card.  [)]

Yeah, forgive me for actually wanting to keep the money that I've worked my donkey off to make.

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If you make over 250k a year, it's no longer  about money... it's about power and control... it's about making sure your children have advantages nobody else has...

How would you know, do you make that kind of money?  BTW, do you know how much money your dear candidate and his wife make per year and how much they actually donate to charity?  And do you think Obama's kids actually go to a public school?

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It's about making wealth based on your lineage and your economic class, not your talent, drive or skills...its about money that makes more money... and wealth that begats wealth... priviledge, prestige...

Well, seeing as how I'm the first of my family to graduate from college.  I'm from a single parent home, and I paid for college by working full time, I can pretty much say you have no clue as to who you're talking to or what you're talking about.

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I tell ya what, Ippy..... the next time my Vietnam vet stepfather goes in for a colonoscopy at the VA Hospital and is told he won't be getting any anesthesia...

Another outright fabrication.  I know many vets who get excellent treatment at VA hospitals, in fact, one good friend right now is being treated for prostate cancer who is using the VA in lieu of his own private medical insurance because he likes his own doctor at the VA.

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Bite me.  Capitalist pig.

I don't think I've ever encountered someone who is so completely and utterly wrong about almost every topic they discuss. At least you attempt humor from time to time...

[iplaw]

quote:If you make over 250k a year, it's no longer about money... it's about power and control...

I'd also like to add that it's because of people who make this kind of money that most people in America even have a job to speak of.  Who do you think runs profitable businesses in this country and creates jobs for most Americans?  When was the last time you got a job from a poor person?

[USRufnex]

"Another outright fabrication."

No.  He was awake through the entire process... unless my stepdad was lying... I'm not sure why he'd lie about something like that... I assume most colonoscopy's at the VA are done with anesthesia... problem is, sounds like vets already on other medications may fall through the cracks... may be time for one of those "News2 works for you" moments...

And if somebody implies to me that there are no veterans in these hospitals who have "fallen through the cracks" over the years... I beg to differ.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

"Another outright fabrication."

No.  He was awake through the entire process... unless my stepdad was lying... I'm not sure why he'd lie about something like that... I assume most colonoscopy's at the VA are done with anesthesia... problem is, sounds like vets already on other medications may fall through the cracks... may be time for one of those "News2 works for you" moments...

And if somebody implies to me that there are no veterans in these hospitals who have "fallen through the cracks" over the years... I beg to differ.

That sounds a bit more believeable...it's not that they aren't given pain killers, but that they are awake during the exam, there's a big difference there.  And yes, vets do fall through the cracks, but so do patients with private health insurance.  Doctors often make mistakes.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:If you make over 250k a year, it's no longer about money... it's about power and control...

I'd also like to add that it's because of people who make this kind of money that most people in America even have a job to speak of.  Who do you think runs profitable businesses in this country and creates jobs for most Americans?  When was the last time you got a job from a poor person?

I get hired by working people... I work with and for other hard working people.  None of whom make over 250k... the only time I saw people who made over 250k is when I performed opera, including those special opening night galas and fundraisers... there are some truly clueless people who have more money than sense in this country... many of them are trust-fund babies...

You see, there USED TO BE an inheritance tax... there used to be a budget surplus... there used to be a minimum wage that made more sense and actually could pay a few bills...

Now, we're supposed to make the Bush tax cuts permenant...

June 28, 2007
Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece

Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: "The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you're in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent."

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.

The comments are among the most signficant yet in a debate raging on both sides of the Atlantic about growing income inequality and how the super-wealthy are taxed.

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Mr Buffett, who runs the investment group Berkshire Hathaway and is widely regarded as the world's most successful investor, said that he was a Democrat because Republicans are more likely to think: "I'm making $80 million a year – God must have intended me to have a lower tax rate."

Mr Buffett said that a Republican proposal to eliminate elements of inheritance tax, which raises about $30 billion a year from the assets of about 12,000 rich families, would broaden the disparity between rich and poor. He added that the Republicans would seek to recover lost revenue by increasing taxes for the less prosperous.

He said: "You could take that $30 billion and give $1,000 to 30 million poor families. Or should you favour the 12,000 estates and make 30 million families pay an extra $1,000?"

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

The more I hear from Mr. Buffet, the more I like the man.

I like how he can make a stupendous profit and be a decent human being at the same time.  Looking back at the last seven years or so, you'd think the two were mutually exclusive.