Questions about Barack Obama's Birth Certificate

[Derailed]

There is a site called Israel Insider that has some information that Barack Obama's birth certificate possibly could be fake because it lacks the raised seal and other items. They show another birth certificate of an Hawaiian for comparison. I'm no expert but its worth reviewing.

"...The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature..."

Israelinsider

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Derailed

There is a site called Israel Insider that has some information that Barack Obama's birth certificate possibly could be fake because it lacks the raised seal and other items. They show another birth certificate of an Hawaiian for comparison. I'm no expert but its worth reviewing.

"...The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature..."

Israelinsider

Hey man my certificate doesn't have the raised seal either.............

Does that mean I get my money back from the copy machine..

Is there a full moon or what?[}:)]

[we vs us]

Wow, that's freakin' hilarious.

[rwarn17588]

That "scandal" was so two weeks ago. The "controversy" lasted, what? Twelve hours?

Sounds like Derailed is one of those nutcases from Free Republic. Derailed, indeed.

Next.

[FOTD]

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[Derailed]

The issues is still out there very much alive.  Israelinsider just wrote about it on the 24th.  

It's obvious the birth certificate that Obama has on his website in his "Fight the Semars" page is not the original.  How stupid was that move?

All they need to do is scan in the original so the seal is clearly visible and the official signature would show through from the back.  It would look like the one on this genealogy page

[cannon_fodder]

So what's the allegation?

That he wasn't born in the United States and therefor should not be allowed to run for president?  

Even if he was born elsewhere to an American mother, odds are he gets citizenship.  Just like John McCain.  Yay.

Perhaps interesting, but not all that concerning.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Derailed

The issues is still out there very much alive.  Israelinsider just wrote about it on the 24th.  

It's obvious the birth certificate that Obama has on his website in his "Fight the Semars" page is not the original.  How stupid was that move?

All they need to do is scan in the original so the seal is clearly visible and the official signature would show through from the back.  It would look like the one on this genealogy page

Ridiculous.   Of course its not the original--the original is on file in Hawaii, just like mine is on file in Oklahoma.  You get a certified copy of your birth certificate when you request it.  Do you have any proof whatsoever that this is not a certified copy?  Can you cite to any Hawaiin statute that says all birth certificate copies must have a seal?  Do you really have anything that would hint that he wasn't born exactly as his birth certificate describes?  

I find it odd that, with this rumor, EVERYONE uses the same birth certificate to prove a seal is required.  

I say we start some wild, unfounded rumors about McCain that supporters will have to defend.  I heard he eats babies.

[grahambino]

pmcalk, i think you mean McCain eats California Cheeseburgers

[Conan71]

Hawaii was a U.S. State in 1961 and his mother is a U.S. citizen from Wichita.  What is so difficult for people to understand about this?  Talk about an embarrasing to-do about nothing.

Hell we grant citizenship to people whose parents arrived in the states an hour before the babies birth.

[rwarn17588]

No one is going to give your original birth certificate to you because if you lose it, that's it -- the record of your birth is lost.

That's why states and counties provide certified copies of birth certificates. They're as good as the original, and it is recognized as such.

This same sort of trivial crap was tried in 1964 with Barry Goldwater, because he was born in Arizona before it became a state. You can see how far that so-called "controversy" went.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

pmcalk, i think you mean McCain eats California Cheeseburgers

See?  What more do you need--proof that McCain eats babies.  If he doesn't, why doesn't he release pictures showing he doesn't?  It's pretty suspicious if you as me.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

So what's the allegation?

That he wasn't born in the United States and therefor should not be allowed to run for president?  

Even if he was born elsewhere to an American mother, odds are he gets citizenship.  Just like John McCain.  Yay.

Perhaps interesting, but not all that concerning.

No, the rumors are more exciting than just that he isn't a natural citizen.  Here are some of them:

1.  Obama is hiding his middle name, which according to the rumor is Muhammad.  Which we all know is so much worse than Hussein.  Someone please explain to me why someone, who was worried about his public image, would change his name from Muhammad to Hussein???  Why wouldn't he just change it to John or something?

2.  Obama wants to hide the fact that his mom was not married.  Big deal.  Why would he want to hide that?  IMO, he'd have a lot easier time as the son of an unwed mother than as the son of a Kenyan with muslim family members.

3.  Obama is hiding the religion that was listed on his birth certificate.  Hawaii doesn't list religion on birth certificates, so not that.  Besides, how many people are the religion that their parents ascribed to them at birth?

Not that I want to give any credence to ridiculous rumors, but it is important to see just how silly they really are.

[we vs us]

It's funny, but all of those rumors are based around the idea that he's hiding something unpresidential or unamerican from the voting public.

Or they are all smaller pieces of one grand conspiracy theory:  that he's an Islamofascist sleeper agent who's duped much of the country into wanting him as president.  

Either way, they're pretty direct messages:  he's a traitor, and/or he's secretly one of our biggest enemies.

[FOTD]

"Anyway, I don't do cowering" Barack Obama in the recent Rolling Stone Magazine.

The cam pains new moto?