Tulsa History Repeats Itself - Again?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan

Returning to the thread -- Norman and the special assessment. Any facts relating to this? I wouldn't doubt it at all and would like to know more about this.

Just because someone gives money doesn't make thems ethical. It is a complete conflict of interest for Norman to represent clients in land property or BOA issues. Incog staff actually confer with him during TMAPC meetings. He is a lawyer doing what he is paid to do. Ethical? Haven't seen any indication of that.

Mr. Charles E. Norman was Tulsa City Attorney from 1959-1968, after being an assistant city attorney for a few years.

I have not cared to research the exact date when the Special Assessments ended.

I have been told verbally by Tulsa residents who lived contemporaneously with their existance APPROXIMATELY when they ended.

Nonetheless, they did end while he was City Attorney.

If you Google on Charles E. Norman, you will get his e-mail address from his lawfirm:

Norman, Wohleguth, Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.

You can E-mail him and ask.

He might respond....  

Oh it sucks . . .

to be jealous of everyone . . .

no need to insult everyone . . .

but when you're usually wrong, what's stopping you?

[:O]

I'm certainly not jealous of Mr. Norman.  The legal profession lacks the predictable precision of my chosen field:

Nuclear engineering.

My moral grounding makes me prefer to retain a conscience rather than acquire great wealth and power.

Nonetheless, despite your kind offer, I'd much prefer to stay off the Prince of Darkness' radar screen.

He's an extremely well-connected Rainmaker attorney.

He moves in the top social circles of Tulsa.

He probably helped get many of the judges appointed to our local, state and Federal bench.

He's also the Eminence Griese of local politics.
As you may recall, our previous Mayor came from his law firm......

Quite a market for nuclear engineers in Tulsa . . . cough, cough . . . such a noble profession for this area . . .

You clearly don't know much about what attorneys do.

I've talked to Mr. Norman a couple of times.  I must admit I was scared when he was called "the Dark Lord" -- but he seemed like a really decent guy.

Not sure what makes him bad if he helped appoint judges.  We have a pretty good group on the bench in this city.  When out of state attorneys come here, they are usually impressed with the quality of our judges.

And I'm not sure what's bad if he moves in the top social circles.

I didn't offer you anything, either.  FB, I think you're losing it.

Look, quit it with the cheap insults.


Everything you just said would indicate jealousy on your part -- wealth and power, social circles, etc. -- none of those had anything to do with whether Mr. Norman was a good guy or not.  And that's what I'm sayin -- just be respectful.

But you'd rather wear the tinfoil hat, I take it.

I guess when you want to be an expert on Tulsa, but have no real connection to the city at the moment, then that's about the only way you'll get people to listen, even if they're only snickering at you when you spout off.

[:O]

If someone helped engineer the elimination of the Special Assessment, and by doing so shifted the tax burden over to the financial detriment of the vast majority of the citizens of Tulsa, and simultaneously eliminated the burden from the landowners/developers/builders to fatten their profit margins, then I think it is readily clear about the state of that person's conscience.

Note to Gold:  

The Itty Bitty Third Penny, first enacted in 1980 to help catch up about 15 years of local road improvement underfunding, has picked the pockets of Tulsans of over $1.4 BILLION dollars.

Ouch!

You don't like the policy.  Great.

If it's so bad, move (I think you already did that).

Even if that's the case, there's no reason to call the guy out.  You have no idea if he's a good guy or not.  You just don't like the policy.

But, whoever scorned you long ago, or maybe just your Paul Tay-like need for attention, dictates that you always attack the person.

You sound confused today.  First it was the hilarious bit about Lamson not wanting to compete with the bars downtown (even though he want sto move his team there), now this bit of confusion.

It's good for entertainment I guess, but not so much for serious political discussion.

Poor FB.

[:O]

Again, I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED that serial, personal attacks against me, which contradict the Forum Rules of Deportment go unsanctioned, maybe even encouraged by the Forum Administrators.

Why or why?

[Gold]

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

[RecycleMichael]

Methinks bear doth protesteth too much.

"Never argue with an idiot. He drags you down to his level and then beats you with experience."

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

It's no fun interacting with a Petulant Child.

Who needed a spanking.

[bokworker]

^^^- Now FB is talking to himself..

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

^^^- Now FB is talking to himself..

Employees lunchbreak has been cancelled because Quarterly earnings were DOWN.....

However, compliance is VOLUNTARY.  

Just click on the link to OPT-OUT of lunch-break.

http://www.bokf.com/Lybarger/lunch/opt-out/HR/TerminationNotice

Remember, it is entirely VOLUNTARY.  

Entirely.

JUST like the BOK Employee Opt-out Option for Vision 2025 Vote YES campaign yard signs.

Remember?

Bon Appetit!

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

It's no fun interacting with a Petulant Child.

Who needed a spanking.

And that's not a personal attack?  You literally advocated some sort of homerotic violence.

Grrrr . . .

Thanks, but no thanks, Bear.  

And thanks for proving my point.  You can't stick to the issues.  You just want attention.  You don't live in Tulsa (can't if you're a nuclear engineer, unless you have some sort of job in the medical field) and you haven't been downtown for at least 20 years.  So, for you, this isn't about politics or discussion, it's just a need for attention.  

"Hey look at me, I just called Charlie Norman a name."

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

It's no fun interacting with a Petulant Child.

Who needed a spanking.

And that's not a personal attack?  You literally advocated some sort of homerotic violence.

Grrrr . . .

Thanks, but no thanks, Bear.  

And thanks for proving my point.  You can't stick to the issues.  You just want attention.  You don't live in Tulsa (can't if you're a nuclear engineer, unless you have some sort of job in the medical field) and you haven't been downtown for at least 20 years.  So, for you, this isn't about politics or discussion, it's just a need for attention.  

"Hey look at me, I just called Charlie Norman a name."

[:O]

PAST tense on the spanking.

I think the Reform School missed their chance paddling your behind.

Might have helped, at one time.

Too late now, methinks.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

It's no fun interacting with a Petulant Child.

Who needed a spanking.

And that's not a personal attack?  You literally advocated some sort of homerotic violence.

Grrrr . . .

Thanks, but no thanks, Bear.  

And thanks for proving my point.  You can't stick to the issues.  You just want attention.  You don't live in Tulsa (can't if you're a nuclear engineer, unless you have some sort of job in the medical field) and you haven't been downtown for at least 20 years.  So, for you, this isn't about politics or discussion, it's just a need for attention.  

"Hey look at me, I just called Charlie Norman a name."

[:O]

PAST tense on the spanking.

I think the Reform School missed their chance paddling your behind.

Might have helped, at one time.

Too late now, methinks.

I get it, you like hitting little boys.  The point still stands.

Maybe you could apply to run the alternative school, with all the changes . . . you know, if you wanted to move back to Tulsa.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

How is that a personal attack?

I don't think you live here (you just miss badly on some stuff).

You say a lot of stuff that is totally baseless.

YOU attack good people that you clearly don't know.

Instead of saying that a certain judge or politician is on the plutocrats' payroll, how about just saying you disagree with their position?

If you just stuck to the issues rather than going Delgiorno at all times, maybe we could have a discussion.

I just think without the namedropping and bullying, you don't have much to offer.

Just stick to an issue.  Any issue.

Quit it with the circular reasoning and tinfoil hat conspiracy tirade.

It is amusing to watch you just collapse around some basic questions, but not very productive -- then again, hopefully you quit it now that I'm doing the exact same thing to you that you do to good, hardworking public and private figures (though I'm starting to think by comparison, a lot of what I say is on the money about you).

You did skip down your list of message board tricks pretty quickly today.

I guess it's no fun to realize you're wrong.

[:X]

It's no fun interacting with a Petulant Child.

Who needed a spanking.

And that's not a personal attack?  You literally advocated some sort of homerotic violence.

Grrrr . . .

Thanks, but no thanks, Bear.  

And thanks for proving my point.  You can't stick to the issues.  You just want attention.  You don't live in Tulsa (can't if you're a nuclear engineer, unless you have some sort of job in the medical field) and you haven't been downtown for at least 20 years.  So, for you, this isn't about politics or discussion, it's just a need for attention.  

"Hey look at me, I just called Charlie Norman a name."

[:O]

PAST tense on the spanking.

I think the Reform School missed their chance paddling your behind.

Might have helped, at one time.

Too late now, methinks.

I get it, you like hitting little boys.  The point still stands.

Maybe you could apply to run the alternative school, with all the changes . . . you know, if you wanted to move back to Tulsa.

Based on your immature view of the city Real Politik, I've long suspected you were a mere juvenile.

Thanks for confirming, Junior.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear - Posted - 07/16/2008 :  12:52:21


Just click on the link to OPT-OUT of lunch-break.

http://www.bokf.com/Lybarger/lunch/opt-out/HR/TerminationNotice
Edited by - Friendly Bear on 07/16/2008 16:50:50

You really went back and edited a joke 4 hours later? It wasn't even that funny or clever...

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear - Posted - 07/16/2008 :  12:52:21


Just click on the link to OPT-OUT of lunch-break.

http://www.bokf.com/Lybarger/lunch/opt-out/HR/TerminationNotice
Edited by - Friendly Bear on 07/16/2008 16:50:50

You really went back and edited a joke 4 hours later? It wasn't even that funny or clever...

Only for BOK Werker's benefit.

That way, bank employees electing to Opt-Out of their Voluntary lunch break, going forward could link directly to their HR Termination of Employment notice.

Saves a lot of time that way.

He appreciated it.

I'm glad to help.

Again.

Still, the bank made over $100 million in net profit for the first six months of 2008.

Not TOO shabby.

[:X]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Methinks bear doth protesteth too much.

"Never argue with an idiot. He drags you down to his level and then beats you with experience."

"Yes, and never mud wrestle with a pig.

The pigs enjoys it."

Oink.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear



Based on your immature view of the city Real Politik, I've long suspected you were a mere juvenile.

Thanks for confirming, Junior.

What are you talking about?  Where have I advocated anything on here about the "city politik" other than support for a stadium that every single member of city council was in support of?

You don't even know my age.

But I do know that you don't live in Tulsa because you always shy away.

You don't know squat about the issues facing downtown or the city at large.  You just spout off a bunch of nonsense.

And you are jealous of successful people.

And just playing hateful.

It's tough to be Friendly Bear.

No one likes you.

And you think it's OK to touch little boys.

Poor FB.

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear



Based on your immature view of the city Real Politik, I've long suspected you were a mere juvenile.

Thanks for confirming, Junior.

What are you talking about?  Where have I advocated anything on here about the "city politik" other than support for a stadium that every single member of city council was in support of?

You don't even know my age.

But I do know that you don't live in Tulsa because you always shy away.

You don't know squat about the issues facing downtown or the city at large.  You just spout off a bunch of nonsense.

And you are jealous of successful people.

And just playing hateful.

It's tough to be Friendly Bear.

No one likes you.

And you think it's OK to touch little boys.

Poor FB.

[:O]

The term realpolitik is often used pejoratively to imply politics that are coercive, amoral, or Machiavellian.

I.E., a PERFEKT description of our merry lives here in the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

You'll probably cover Realpolitik in next year's session at The Tulsa's Boy's Home.  

It's mandatory to graduate.

Don't worry. It's okay.

They allow an Open-Book exam.....