Don't Forget To Fire Randi Miller Today

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2

Scating editorial on Sally Bell.  David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.

With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.

What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat?  Why would anybody vote for him?  He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.

What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat?

Nil.

[TakingCare]

KOTV just called the election for Bell.[]

[Wilbur]

Ouch!  That was a spankin'

That was more of an anti-Miller vote then it was a pro-Bell vote.

'bout time.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

Ouch!  That was a spankin'

That was more of an anti-Miller vote then it was a pro-Bell vote.

'bout time.

Paul Tay could have even won that race[]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold

I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point.  I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails.  Bell is running out of revenge.  She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.

Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.

There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?

Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.

Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.

I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.

The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.

With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.

Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.

ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all.  DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways?  he has been headed down a bad path.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold

I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point.  I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails.  Bell is running out of revenge.  She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.

Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.

There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?

Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.

Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.

I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.

The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.

With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.

Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.

ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all.  DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways?  he has been headed down a bad path.

With that kind of landslip, Sally Bell's odds for election to Tulsa Co. Commissioner just markedly improved.

Sally, Revenge is soooooooo SWEET!

By the way, all the principal pandering prostitute politicians that agitated for the Vision 2025 are now retired/fired.

Mayor LaFortune?  Fired.

Co. Commissioner Dirty Bob Dick?  Retired.

Commissioner Dilbert Collins?  Fired.

Commissioner Randi Miller?  Fired.

Yet, the damage they did will continue to hit our over-taxed wallets until 2017.

Think of them every time you pay 8.517% sales tax on your groceries.

Our disposable politicians come and go.  They are as disposable as a Kleenex.

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

What new political "reformer" do they have waiting in the wings to next spring on us?

KKKeith?

Did I mention this very favored local construction company was sole-sourced the downtown Driller stadium contract WITHOUT the benefit of a legal, valid competitive bidding process?

FOOLS! Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2

Scating editorial on Sally Bell.  David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.

With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.

Simonson too I assume.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I see David Arnutt is still playing sock puppet and house organ for Randi Miller:

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1658&Itemid=2

Scating editorial on Sally Bell.  David makes a lot of assumptions in lieu of fact.

With Randi gone, we can get rid of him as a county employee too. Bonus.

Simonson too I assume.

Terry can now return to his night job:  Full-time.

[OurTulsa]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold

I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point.  I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails.  Bell is running out of revenge.  She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.

Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.

There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?

Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.

Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.

I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.

The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.

With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.

Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.

ok, so lets say sally bell wins it all.  DO you think Fred Perry will come back to jesus and shed his taxing ways?  he has been headed down a bad path.

With that kind of landslip, Sally Bell's odds for election to Tulsa Co. Commissioner just markedly improved.

Sally, Revenge is soooooooo SWEET!

By the way, all the principal pandering prostitute politicians that agitated for the Vision 2025 are now retired/fired.

Mayor LaFortune?  Fired.

Co. Commissioner Dirty Bob Dick?  Retired.

Commissioner Dilbert Collins?  Fired.

Commissioner Randi Miller?  Fired.

Yet, the damage they did will continue to hit our over-taxed wallets until 2017.

Think of them every time you pay 8.517% sales tax on your groceries.

Our disposable politicians come and go.  They are as disposable as a Kleenex.

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

What new political "reformer" do they have waiting in the wings to next spring on us?

KKKeith?

Did I mention this very favored local construction company was sole-sourced the downtown Driller stadium contract WITHOUT the benefit of a legal, valid competitive bidding process?

FOOLS! Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa.

Why do you call her KKKeith?  Last I knew there was no relationship between her and the KKK...or maybe I missed that news segment.  Can you qualify that moniker or is that your thing?  Do you just come up with the worst possible associations for individuals you disagree with regardless of the real impact for your own satisfaction?  Surely you've got some justification for using those three letters to associate with Karen and you're not that big of an A-hole.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Manhattan Construction has been around 100 years.

And dont forget Flintco.  They cant design lighting worth a craap (as evident by the fairgrounds floodlights, for example).

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold

I'm quite aware and that's a more than fair point.  I'm on record that I think Miller is terrible at her job, but at least she knows what the job entails.  Bell is running out of revenge.  She has no platform other than generic nonsense about small government that is meaningless in local politics.

Sally Bell is better informed about the workings of county government than Randi Miller was when she first ran for commissioner. She has more personal experience in dealing with county government than Karen Keith has.

There are legitimate differences of opinion on what role county government ought to play. Should it act like some sort of metropolitan pork-barrel source, raising taxes then parceling them out to the municipalities with strings attached? Or should it focus on its ordained functions -- land records, taxes, the jail, the courthouse, the fairgrounds, basic services in unincorporated areas -- and leave the rest of the tasks (and the revenue streams) to the cities?

Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view.

Stuck by the State Constitution with the same structure as Beaver County government (pop. 5,857), Tulsa County government (pop. 563,299) doesn't have the checks and balances there ought to be for managing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and providing basic government services to more than half a million people. A chartered municipal government -- or an interlocal agreement between cities when needed -- is far more adaptable to the task.

I want a county commissioner who will say no right away when someone asks her to consider a $600 million sales tax for islands in the middle of the river. Or when someone asks for a 75-year contract for a privately run toll bridge that will earn hundreds of millions of dollars for the private operator. I want someone who knows what is the county's job and what isn't.

The enthusiasm for county government seems mainly rooted in the success of using a county-wide vote to get an arena tax passed. (For a few people it's rooted in the relationships that get them no-bid contracts with the county.) The river tax vote proved that going county-wide isn't a foolproof strategy for passing taxes.

With that out of the way, maybe we can go back to funding those issues on a city-by-city basis, and leave county government to do what it was purposed to do 100 years ago.

Assuming Sally Bell wins the Republican nomination, we're set for a needed debate on the proper role of county government.

I see what you are starting to do.  Lump Karen in with Randi:  "Karen Keith and Randi Miller both take the former view. Sally Bell takes the latter view."

I think it would be appropriate for you to disclose if you are working on a consulting basis for Sally's campaign.  As you well know, I am going to be helping Karen Keith with hers now that the GOP primary is settled.

Other than being a tennant with the fairgrounds, I'm not impressed with the assertion Sally "has more personal experience in dealing with county government."

Ostensibly, the whole process which resulted in the termination of the Bell's lease was done in private, out of sight or earshot of the Bell family.  Far as anyone else knows, she met with them to discuss lease terms, probably wrote the rent checks, and had to deal with them when moving off the fairgrounds.  Experience with the fairboard and fairgrounds, but not necessarily operations down at the County.  Big difference even though some of the players are the same.

Sally is going to have to get past the idea in voter's minds of this being a novelty campaign.  Honestly her bias agains the county commission and fairboard has me concerned as to how effective she's capable of being if she has such pent up hatred for this institution.

With Karen's background with Vision 2025, she's got a far better idea of where our county government is at today and good insight as to how it works.

The debate over the points you make about what limits there should and should not be for county governemnt are definitely debatable.  I've never been an enthusiastic supporter of V-2025 nor the area, but it finally happened and we are getting some A-list tours coming through town as a result.

I'm astounded at the amount of public money committed and spent in the last five years, including the deal for OTC and new Driller's Park.

Looking ahead, just what would Tulsa have looked like in 2025 with none of these investments and structures?  Beirut?  It's pretty hard for me to keep *****ing about a sausage tax like V-2025 when I see people who have benefitted from new college facilities, when I see payrolls of construction trades brimming.  Drive through the other communities and look at their share of V-2025 and it's not been a bad deal for what we've gotten.

I do have a general distrust for the way the county manages money and that was a huge issue for me on the river tax.  I also did not like that the low water dams were, then weren't, then were part of V-2025.

Sally's got a tough road ahead.  I'm curious how bad she really wants it or if vindicating herself at the polls was simply enough.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.

What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat?  Why would anybody vote for him?  He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.

You're OT on this thread, but happy to discuss if you will start another thread.

Is that fact or your opinion? Care to quantify without resorting to quoting Huffington Post, think progress, moveon, or an MSNBC op-ed piece?

Facts, not op-ed to back up your assertions.  I'm always willing to listen and consider facts.  Hyperbole, speculation, and manipulation of facts doesn't get far with me.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
Calm down, real race is in November.

What are the chances of a Jim Slimehofe defeat?  Why would anybody vote for him?  He's one of the 5 worst members of Congress, and an embarrassment to this part of the world.

You're OT on this thread, but happy to discuss if you will start another thread.

Is that fact or your opinion? Care to quantify without resorting to quoting Huffington Post, think progress, moveon, or an MSNBC op-ed piece?

Facts, not op-ed to back up your assertions.  I'm always willing to listen and consider facts.  Hyperbole, speculation, and manipulation of facts doesn't get far with me.

Maybe not, but my personal opinion of Jim Inhofe is enough for me to vote for whomever else is on the ticket.  Some of his rhetoric about global warming being a hoax is quite frightening to me in a way.

He's been in Washington far too long.  Time for fresh faces now.