Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by AMP



Why locate this new facility 4 miles from all the other services in a residental area of Tulsa?  

Admiral and Yale is not inside a residential area, its a business corridor.

quote:Originally posted by AMP




Bottm line, would you like this facility or another one in your residential neighborhood?  

My residential neighborhood is downtown. I am not harrassed or threatened by "homeless people", the only people that ever stop me for money are usually the grifters and pan-handlers at Quick Trip but they are non-threatening.

[waterboy]

Where exactly is this location? The newspaper referred to 10th and Yale while everyone else refers to Admiral and Yale. The corner of Admiral and Yale has a muffler shop, a cemetary, a Sonic and auto parts stores. The neighborhood is shielded by 244 on the South, 40 acres of cemetary on the north and a half mile of low end retail on the east and west.

I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial. Concentrating every public facility downtown doesn't make much sense to me unless you just want to make sure downtown dies a slow, more visible death. Would rather see some sort of revenue stimulating, taxpaying entities replace those functions.

BTW, I liked Eagleton's response.

[carltonplace]

10 S Yale, which I think is where the warehouse market was.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

The newspaper referred to 10th and Yale while everyone else refers to Admiral and Yale.

Error by the reporter. He has noted the error in the comments section on the website. It should be 10 S. Yale

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

The newspaper referred to 10th and Yale while everyone else refers to Admiral and Yale.

Error by the reporter. He has noted the error in the comments section on the website. It should be 10 S. Yale

Thanks. AMP, there are suitable locations all over town. This is one of them.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

How come we never see these planned for that part of town? How come we don't have a four story homeless shelter at 31st and Lewis, 51st and Harvard or on Brookside?

I agree that this will be a great facility and I am glad that the donors have stepped up. This is one of the reasons why I love this town.

But this is going to affect this neighborhood a lot and they were never told about it. I love that part of town. It was where I grew up. That was the store we bought all our groceries. My wife was the president of the neighborhood association there for over ten years.

It was approved before anyone knew anything about it. There has to be a better way.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Where exactly is this location? The newspaper referred to 10th and Yale while everyone else refers to Admiral and Yale. The corner of Admiral and Yale has a muffler shop, a cemetary, a Sonic and auto parts stores. The neighborhood is shielded by 244 on the South, 40 acres of cemetary on the north and a half mile of low end retail on the east and west.

I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

there is no bus stop at 101st/Mem so your cute swipe FAILS IT.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


there is no bus stop at 101st/Mem so your cute swipe FAILS IT.

There is at 91st.

Of course, anybody trying to walk that mile stands a good chance of death. Depending on the time of day, it might be from cars blasting down the road at 60mph or from being shot by frustrated drivers moving more slowly than a person can walk.

And as someone who lives in the area, I wouldn't have a problem with services for the homeless being nearby. My SO probably would, though. She works close to the YMCA and hates having to leave work after dark. The homeless people scare her.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Where exactly is this location? The newspaper referred to 10th and Yale while everyone else refers to Admiral and Yale. The corner of Admiral and Yale has a muffler shop, a cemetary, a Sonic and auto parts stores. The neighborhood is shielded by 244 on the South, 40 acres of cemetary on the north and a half mile of low end retail on the east and west.

I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

there is no bus stop at 101st/Mem so your cute swipe FAILS IT.

Easily remedied. I wasn't trying to be cute but...even Southies know what a bus looks like, they're just not sure what they're used for unless its a booze cruz wedding party.[]

Whatsamatter Interller, you don't think South Tulsa cake eaters could handle any homeless, semi-mental housing? "Your tax dollars at work" as long as they're north of 71st? I do. I think South Tulsa would be a great place to mainstream some of these folks and I think many of the people out there have family or friends who would benefit and wouldn't object.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

How come we never see these planned for that part of town? How come we don't have a four story homeless shelter at 31st and Lewis, 51st and Harvard or on Brookside?

I agree that this will be a great facility and I am glad that the donors have stepped up. This is one of the reasons why I love this town.

But this is going to affect this neighborhood a lot and they were never told about it. I love that part of town. It was where I grew up. That was the store we bought all our groceries. My wife was the president of the neighborhood association there for over ten years.

It was approved before anyone knew anything about it. There has to be a better way.

I don't think they needed approval Mike... As I understand the matter the "use" is by Right..

If it had not been, by Right, they would have needed to go before the Board of Adjustments.


To the fellow that referred to this item as though it were "to be the only such facility built across Tulsa" hold on to your hat..!

I have seen the list..

This is all part of a "planned approach" to the issue we now handle by segregation... and the warehousing of the less fortunate and mentally ill.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

How come we never see these planned for that part of town? How come we don't have a four story homeless shelter at 31st and Lewis, 51st and Harvard or on Brookside?

I agree that this will be a great facility and I am glad that the donors have stepped up. This is one of the reasons why I love this town.

But this is going to affect this neighborhood a lot and they were never told about it. I love that part of town. It was where I grew up. That was the store we bought all our groceries. My wife was the president of the neighborhood association there for over ten years.

It was approved before anyone knew anything about it. There has to be a better way.

Actually, there are two near my neighborhood that I would bet most people don't even know about.  I live in what many dub the "money belt", so you can't say that those types of developments only occur in certain parts of town.  

The big difference, though, is that the developments near me house less than 20 people.  It's very easy for people to not notice such small groups.  It doesn't affect my property value because most people simply don't know they exist.

This unit is huge.  Everyone will know it is there.  Whether they are perfect neighbors or not, their presence will effect property values.  Would you buy a single family home near the equivalent of the downtown YMCA?  Your home is your biggest investment, and you want to assure the value will always increase.

If they had simply broken this project up into three units of 25, I bet no one would have even noticed.  Why would they build such a large, conspicuous unit?

I am all for helping the homeless, and I am extremely grateful for the incredible generosity of the people behind this.  I just think it could have been done a bit differently.  

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I would guess any location that is near a bus line, a grocery store, and a park would be suitable. That includes 101st and Memorial.

How come we never see these planned for that part of town? How come we don't have a four story homeless shelter at 31st and Lewis, 51st and Harvard or on Brookside?

I agree that this will be a great facility and I am glad that the donors have stepped up. This is one of the reasons why I love this town.

But this is going to affect this neighborhood a lot and they were never told about it. I love that part of town. It was where I grew up. That was the store we bought all our groceries. My wife was the president of the neighborhood association there for over ten years.

It was approved before anyone knew anything about it. There has to be a better way.

Actually, there are two near my neighborhood that I would bet most people don't even know about.  I live in what many dub the "money belt", so you can't say that those types of developments only occur in certain parts of town.  

The big difference, though, is that the developments near me house less than 20 people.  It's very easy for people to not notice such small groups.  It doesn't affect my property value because most people simply don't know they exist.

This unit is huge.  Everyone will know it is there.  Whether they are perfect neighbors or not, their presence will effect property values.  Would you buy a single family home near the equivalent of the downtown YMCA?  Your home is your biggest investment, and you want to assure the value will always increase.

If they had simply broken this project up into three units of 25, I bet no one would have even noticed.  Why would they build such a large, conspicuous unit?

I am all for helping the homeless, and I am extremely grateful for the incredible generosity of the people behind this.  I just think it could have been done a bit differently.  

It's the Kaiser's retaliation for North Tulsa voting against the river tax.

[waterboy]

PM, I'll swap one of these YMCA developments anyday for the Boulder Plaza. Even with that informal mental health development, next to the mental health association, it doesn't seem to affect values in Riverview or Maple Ridge.

I visited the new site today. There is very little residential west of the site and none to its east. The north is insulated by the cemetary. The south side though cut off by the expressway is the only area at risk. Would they rather a cheap hotel went in to complement the machine shops, auto parts, muffler shop, blood bank, auto salvage, mobile home park and Sonic?

[TheTed]

As a downtowner I have ZERO SYMPATHY toward the neighborhood. It's a needed service in a city. Hopefully it helps the homeless make changes in their lives and break free of homelessness.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

As a downtowner I have ZERO SYMPATHY toward the neighborhood. It's a needed service in a city. Hopefully it helps the homeless make changes in their lives and break free of homelessness.

Problem for you is that there is more than 75 downtown now and in another year there will be more....whatcha going to do.