Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[waterboy]

If its tax value then the story is a fraud.

Even if it is not, price is determined by perceived value of the buyer. IOW, the property is worth what someone will pay for it. The appraisal is not for a loan as the money is donated. Its actually, irrelevant what the appraisal says unless its public money buying it.

[1956packard]

September 13 2008

Aloha and Lawzee

Ah Flip they might actually build the thing
are the city fathers crazy I have nothing against helping the homeless but I live around the Haskel & Lewis pl area & I've been broken into four times in the last six years isn't this part of town ghettofied enough  don't we have enough crime and problems    please do not suggest the old whittier School site  its way to close to home
   I would like to think that Tulsa could find a better & less intrusive location to build the place    
       
                     Aloha and Lawzee

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

If its tax value then the story is a fraud.

Even if it is not, price is determined by perceived value of the buyer. IOW, the property is worth what someone will pay for it. The appraisal is not for a loan as the money is donated. Its actually, irrelevant what the appraisal says unless its public money buying it.

It is public money. You can't distinguish private/public money on a public project. It's a pool, donated to the authority for a project, not for land purchased specifically, unless the land was purchased, then donated.

Even more interesting would be from whom they purchased this land. Another LLC perhaps? How many times did this land change hands in the last two years?

I'd even question TDA's ability to establish any LLC for any reason. That's not what Public Trusts do, or are supposed to anyway.

And, they've sorta eliminated the blind purchase to save money on land costs option.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

If its tax value then the story is a fraud.

Even if it is not, price is determined by perceived value of the buyer. IOW, the property is worth what someone will pay for it. The appraisal is not for a loan as the money is donated. Its actually, irrelevant what the appraisal says unless its public money buying it.

It is public money. You can't distinguish private/public money on a public project. It's a pool, donated to the authority for a project, not for land purchased specifically, unless the land was purchased, then donated.

Even more interesting would be from whom they purchased this land. Another LLC perhaps? How many times did this land change hands in the last two years?

I'd even question TDA's ability to establish any LLC for any reason. That's not what Public Trusts do, or are supposed to anyway.

And, they've sorta eliminated the blind purchase to save money on land costs option.

Hey, if its determined this property has been daisy chained to increase a private return,and cost the public more because of it, then I'll be as incensed as anyone else. However, the reasons the neighborhood is using to oppose the development are not very persuasive.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

If its tax value then the story is a fraud.

Even if it is not, price is determined by perceived value of the buyer. IOW, the property is worth what someone will pay for it. The appraisal is not for a loan as the money is donated. Its actually, irrelevant what the appraisal says unless its public money buying it.

It is public money. You can't distinguish private/public money on a public project. It's a pool, donated to the authority for a project, not for land purchased specifically, unless the land was purchased, then donated.

Even more interesting would be from whom they purchased this land. Another LLC perhaps? How many times did this land change hands in the last two years?

I'd even question TDA's ability to establish any LLC for any reason. That's not what Public Trusts do, or are supposed to anyway.

And, they've sorta eliminated the blind purchase to save money on land costs option.

Hey, if its determined this property has been daisy chained to increase a private return,and cost the public more because of it, then I'll be as incensed as anyone else. However, the reasons the neighborhood is using to oppose the development are not very persuasive.

I think it more the methodology used to cram it down their throats, like much of the stuff I complain about on this forum. It's often not what's being done, as how. But, in this case, it's an unabashed attempt to get it done before being noticed and intentional cloaked agendas.

Yeah, I'd be p.o.'d. Am, just not directly affected. The argument that it's 'the same as' other similar operations around town is bogus, however. There is no similar operation of that scale, unless you go back downtown with the Y.

The neighborhood seemed ammenable to a scaled down version. I don't think opposition is opposed to having it at all.

Again, the steam comes from the process.

[sgrizzle]

Sorry, still not that worked up over a non-homeless non-hi-rise built with not-public funds that is the 4th built in the city that is somehow upsetting some people who aren't even really nearby.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Sorry, still not that worked up over a non-homeless non-hi-rise built with not-public funds that is the 4th built in the city that is somehow upsetting some people who aren't even really nearby.

Guess you missed the vote by the Council on the $3 (or was it $4) million in State funding for this project.

Scale is the issue, 74-units. None that big anywhere outside of downtown, or the Y.

If there is, name it, with address please.

[TheArtist]

Actually there will be homeless people staying there, and thats what irks me.  You heard me originally constantly arguing that it was to be a "Homeless First" program facility. Which is what they said it would be and were trying to pass it off as.  Then come to find out thats only partly true. A good number of the units will be for "over night" type stays and people not paying any rent. Either the news had it all wrong at first, or the people pushing for this lied. I don't like being lied to.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Sorry, still not that worked up over a non-homeless non-hi-rise built with not-public funds that is the 4th built in the city that is somehow upsetting some people who aren't even really nearby.

Guess you missed the vote by the Council on the $3 (or was it $4) million in State funding for this project.

Scale is the issue, 74-units. None that big anywhere outside of downtown, or the Y.

If there is, name it, with address please.

74 units is big?

I can name 5 within 5 miles of my house and I live nowhere near downtown.

And as far as homeless/short term. I was told by someone who would be working with the people in this facility that it will charge rent.

Unless someone reforms the mental health system in oklahoma, I say we should build 12 of them. If they have to build the other 11 by my house so I don't have to listen to everyone whine, then I'm fine with it.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Sorry, still not that worked up over a non-homeless non-hi-rise built with not-public funds that is the 4th built in the city that is somehow upsetting some people who aren't even really nearby.

Guess you missed the vote by the Council on the $3 (or was it $4) million in State funding for this project.

Scale is the issue, 74-units. None that big anywhere outside of downtown, or the Y.

If there is, name it, with address please.

74 units is big?

I can name 5 within 5 miles of my house and I live nowhere near downtown.

And as far as homeless/short term. I was told by someone who would be working with the people in this facility that it will charge rent.

Unless someone reforms the mental health system in oklahoma, I say we should build 12 of them. If they have to build the other 11 by my house so I don't have to listen to everyone whine, then I'm fine with it.

Let's start with one. Name one with the address.

[sgrizzle]

Quail Creek Villa, Woodland Terrace. Both are single buildings with over 100 units.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Quail Creek Villa, Woodland Terrace. Both are single buildings with over 100 units.

Quail Creek Villa
7334 South Memorial Drive

and

Woodland Terrace Retirement Community
9524 East 71st South

are RETIREMENT FACILITIES with assisted care options/capabilities for portions of their units.

...any homeless relocation/drug intervention/mental caseload facilities in the City, especially of this scale?

Nope, didn't think so.

[sgrizzle]

You said that number of units was unheard of and I pointed out it's size was not large.

You want mental patients?

Hewgley Terrace
Lafortune Tower
etc.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Sorry, still not that worked up over a non-homeless non-hi-rise built with not-public funds that is the 4th built in the city that is somehow upsetting some people who aren't even really nearby.

Guess you missed the vote by the Council on the $3 (or was it $4) million in State funding for this project.

Scale is the issue, 74-units. None that big anywhere outside of downtown, or the Y.

If there is, name it, with address please.

74 units is big?

I can name 5 within 5 miles of my house and I live nowhere near downtown.

And as far as homeless/short term. I was told by someone who would be working with the people in this facility that it will charge rent.

Unless someone reforms the mental health system in oklahoma, I say we should build 12 of them. If they have to build the other 11 by my house so I don't have to listen to everyone whine, then I'm fine with it.

It will charge rent,,, but in the fine print,,, to only some of the units.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

You said that number of units was unheard of and I pointed out it's size was not large.

You want mental patients?

Hewgley Terrace
Lafortune Tower
etc.

Hewgley Terrace
420 South Lawton Ave (INSIDE IDL)
Just west of the State of Oklahoma Bldg.

Lafortune Tower
1725 Southwest Blvd
immediately across the river west from IDL

Don't know much about Hewgley Terrace, but Lafortune Tower is your basic Section 8 housing, not a mental/homeless/drug rehab facility.