Homeless Hi-Rise at Admiral and Yale

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Maybe the reason why more Tulsans don't die in fires is because we follow fire codes.

I am sorry, friendly bear. Of all your wild conspiracy theories, saying the homeless are being run out of downtown by the Fire Marshall is your dumbest.

The Fire Marshall didn't just pick one building of near homeless people and make up special rules. He is trying to keep Tulsa safe and following the international guidelines.

Again, name a single, major fire in a downtown Tulsa high-rise in the past 40 years that killed even ONE person?

That's a really poor reason to NOT have fire codes, Bear.

Do you have to actually HAVE a dead person before they're needed?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Maybe the reason why more Tulsans don't die in fires is because we follow fire codes.

I am sorry, friendly bear. Of all your wild conspiracy theories, saying the homeless are being run out of downtown by the Fire Marshall is your dumbest.

The Fire Marshall didn't just pick one building of near homeless people and make up special rules. He is trying to keep Tulsa safe and following the international guidelines.

Again, name a single, major fire in a downtown Tulsa high-rise in the past 40 years that killed even ONE person?

That's a really poor reason to NOT have fire codes, Bear.

Do you have to actually HAVE a dead person before they're needed?

You're trying to twist your LIE into my remarks.

I did NOT say we did NOT NEED FIRE CODES.

We have been benefitting from fire codes since at least the 1920's.  

That's why tall buildings were built with:

Fire Escapes.

Fire Resistant Materials.

Published Escape Routes.

Emergency Lighting.

Fire Alarms.

Progress and fire standards were, however, INCREMENTAL.

By way of comparison on snail-pace initiatives to save lives, it was a well-established FACT, that a SIZEABLE, RECURRING BODY COUNT was one of the reasons that the U.S. DOT finally mandated:

Automobile Seat Belts.

Remember?

After YEARS of doing:  Nothing.

Thousands and thousands of killed or maimed drivers and passengers YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR before the belts became standard, mandatory auto equipment.

As a result, thousands upon thousands of lives are saved yearly.

Then, in their adopted safety zealotry, the U.S. DOT went even further, so we now have automatic Air Bags.

And, fewer drivers now wear their seat belts, as a result.

I'm all for putting in an automatic fire suppression system in a NEW CONSTRUCTION.  That is the CURRENT national fire safety building codes for high rise buildings.

That is not the high cost proposition that RETROFITTING them into existing buildings that complied with existing fire codes when built.

[waterboy]

We're not talking about what the Bear wants. We're talking about whether the fire marshall is using fire codes to run homeless out of the downtown area. With your assertion, he is willing to also empty out Sophian Plaza, Liberty Towers, Central Plaza etc. just to make sure he gets downtown cleaned up and a job with the national assn. when he retires.

Quite a campfire story there, Bear.

[pmcalk]

Does anyone know why they are requiring sprinklers at the Y?  After all, they exempted Sophian Plaza, Liberty Towers, et al.  

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

We're not talking about what the Bear wants. We're talking about whether the fire marshall is using fire codes to run homeless out of the downtown area. With your assertion, he is willing to also empty out Sophian Plaza, Liberty Towers, Central Plaza etc. just to make sure he gets downtown cleaned up and a job with the national assn. when he retires.

Quite a campfire story there, Bear.

Different agendas.

You're sophisticated enough to know that a public official can have multiple agendas, right?

Like when a politician starts agitating for a new public facility saying "It's All About Jobs", that his ADDITIONAL agenda item might be to ingratiate himself to the local connected construction cabal, right?

So, our noble Fire Chief certainly is carrying the water for the national Fire Protection/Detection/Suppression Industry by agitating for RETROFIT of active Fire Suppression Systems in existing high rises.

That agenda item might also just serve his and other agendas, such as the Zarrow Family, to advance "Affordable Housing" initiatives, and to also advance another Agenda item of local ruling Oligarchy Families to clean out the homeless and hopeless from downtown.

Because they want to show off the bright, shiny new Arena.

[:O]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Does anyone know why they are requiring sprinklers at the Y?  After all, they exempted Sophian Plaza, Liberty Towers, et al.  

Who is included in et al and why were these others exempted? That gives one pause. The only reason I could see is if they were constructed so as to be sufficiently safe without sprinklers such as protective barriers between units, fireproof materials or dedicated fire hoses on each floor.

We never had fire sprinklers in Walker Towers dorm rooms. Either they were safely constructed or they didn't care that much about us. Cause if we did we would have set them off routinely.[]

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
So, our noble Fire Chief certainly is carrying the water for the national Fire Protection/Detection/Suppression Industry...

First of all...our fire department doesn't carry water much. We are a big city...we spray water now.

Secondly, you make it sound wrong that our fire department cares about making buildings fire safe. That is their job.

Why don't you go back to your job riding a bike at the circus?

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
So, our noble Fire Chief certainly is carrying the water for the national Fire Protection/Detection/Suppression Industry...

First of all...our fire department doesn't carry water much. We are a big city...we spray water now.

Secondly, you make it sound wrong that our fire department cares about making buildings fire safe. That is their job.

Why don't you go back to your job riding a bike at the circus?

We know it's the council and not the FC. The FC is there to just set it in motion, besides it would have been the council making the exemptions I beleive[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
So, our noble Fire Chief certainly is carrying the water for the national Fire Protection/Detection/Suppression Industry...

First of all...our fire department doesn't carry water much. We are a big city...we spray water now.

Secondly, you make it sound wrong that our fire department cares about making buildings fire safe. That is their job.

Why don't you go back to your job riding a bike at the circus?

The Tulsa Fire Chief is just tangentially employed as a City of Tulsa Civil Service employee.

More directly, his sustenance and professional affinity and support comes from the Fire Suppression/Detection/Provisioning industries.

Like those who sell building automated sprinkler systems.

Like those companies that sell shiny new $400-$600K fire trucks, which our city police department quickly burn up racing to EMT-related fainting spells at local nursing homes.

You think the Fire Chief works for US?

Bull-oney.

He and his Deputy Chiefs are working on their NEXT job:

NAFED, SFPE, ADT, 3-M, Grinnell, Johnson Controls, etc.

Don't you get it?

[:O]

[RecycleMichael]

You must be mistaken, bear. Our fire department top management doesn't change much. We have had only two fire chiefs in probably thirty years.

You are just making stuff up to prove your mistaken fantasies.  You really should give up on this one and save your strength for your next conspiracy pipe dream.

[PonderInc]

I can't remember what this thread was about...

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Does anyone know why they are requiring sprinklers at the Y?  After all, they exempted Sophian Plaza, Liberty Towers, et al.  

Who is included in et al and why were these others exempted? That gives one pause. The only reason I could see is if they were constructed so as to be sufficiently safe without sprinklers such as protective barriers between units, fireproof materials or dedicated fire hoses on each floor.

We never had fire sprinklers in Walker Towers dorm rooms. Either they were safely constructed or they didn't care that much about us. Cause if we did we would have set them off routinely.[]

It was my understanding (and I could be wrong) that City Council a few years back voted to exempt all of the downtown residential buildings from installing sprinklers.  Very recently, I think that some additional fire precautions were required on those buildings, but still no sprinklers.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

You must be mistaken, bear. Our fire department top management doesn't change much. We have had only two fire chiefs in probably thirty years.

You are just making stuff up to prove your mistaken fantasies.  You really should give up on this one and save your strength for your next conspiracy pipe dream.

Today's Lorton's World article proves that the Fire Chief is working together with the power establishment to move the homeless, mental cases over to White City, as well as deny FREEDOM OF SPEECH to White City residents:

The Mental Health Association had a meeting today where the 70 unit facility was APPROVED.

The meeting was filled to capacity and was interrupted several times by shouting and applause.

Several people who live near where the development is planned were not allowed to enter the meeting because of fire codes.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080812_296_Afte687402

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Today's Lorton's World article proves that the Fire Chief is working together with the power establishment to move the homeless, mental cases over to White City, as well as deny FREEDOM OF SPEECH to White City residents
...
Several people who live near where the development is planned were not allowed to enter the meeting because of fire codes.

Did the Fire Chief change the occupany limits immediately before the meeting?

[FOTD]

Isn't the actual "Y" moving into the MAYO Hotel?