Hwy 51 and S. Utica...

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

Surely this 12 story building will have a parking struture.  The site isn't big enough for that much surface parking.

Hard to tell, they say it will, but then again the building has not even been designed yet and Bumgarner has not secured tenants. Bumgarner is only in talks with potential tenants. This seems to be a very speculative venture with no firm commitments.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace
What we are moving to now is large buildings surrounded by parking. Utica Place includes a parking structure. Arvest, Peiwei, Stillwater and this new building will have an ocean of parking around them.

The previous occupying structure was surrounded by parking as well.
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Are we not going to be seeing increased density due to this project? Just curious. I would love to see some architectural drawings or renderings, so that I can make a better analysis of this.

[carltonplace]

A couple of apartment buildings and houses on Troost lost their lives to the new building's footprint, I'm not sure if its a density wash or not but to me office building means 8-5, apartment means 24-7.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

A couple of apartment buildings and houses on Troost lost their lives to the new building's footprint, I'm not sure if its a density wash or not but to me office building means 8-5, apartment means 24-7.

I see what you mean (I finally Google street-viewed over there since I'm at work). I would have rather seen high-rise residential replace existing residential, but I am pleased at seeing high-rise commercial replacing existing low-density commercial in this case.

[tshane250]

Maybe, if we're lucky, this will be a mixed use building.  Ground floor retail, mid-floors office, and upper floors residential.  I wouldn't count on it, but we can dream and hope.

[inteller]

the problem with bumgarner's designs is that he really thinks they are beautiful...I mean he is so full of it that he cant see that the same dreck is done everywhere else.  When he was busy making his mouth punching comments during South Town Market discussions he said that it would be the most beautiful thing in south tulsa, not like that other "riff raff" up and down memorial.  Then when I saw the design I was like "this is just some BS facades with EIFS and more fake donkey cornices!" but because the power lines are going to be buried it will be oh so wonderful....BFD!

the guy is so blinded by his own ego that he cant see that the crap he is building has zero creativity.  i wonder if he gets a little tickle in his pants every time he walks by a building with EIFS and a tile roof?

In Bixby they have a design committee that ensures architectual harmony as part of the planning.  Tulsa does not.  When you sit and think about that for a minute that is just sad.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

A couple of apartment buildings and houses on Troost lost their lives to the new building's footprint, I'm not sure if its a density wash or not but to me office building means 8-5, apartment means 24-7.

it is right off of a major highway, which is 24-7, next to an enertainment district.....and you don't want apartments to lure those coveted young professionals why?

[BierGarten]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

the problem with bumgarner's designs is that he really thinks they are beautiful...I mean he is so full of it that he cant see that the same dreck is done everywhere else.  When he was busy making his mouth punching comments during South Town Market discussions he said that it would be the most beautiful thing in south tulsa, not like that other "riff raff" up and down memorial.  Then when I saw the design I was like "this is just some BS facades with EIFS and more fake donkey cornices!" but because the power lines are going to be buried it will be oh so wonderful....BFD!

the guy is so blinded by his own ego that he cant see that the crap he is building has zero creativity.  i wonder if he gets a little tickle in his pants every time he walks by a building with EIFS and a tile roof?

In Bixby they have a design committee that ensures architectual harmony as part of the planning.  Tulsa does not.  When you sit and think about that for a minute that is just sad.

That may be the worst idea I have heard in a while.  Are you proposing yet another barrier to progress in Tulsa?  Ridiculous.  I bet you would propose that you should be the founding member of this "design committee".  

According to you, if it looks like everything else it must be bad. How does that jive with "harmony as part of the planning"?

If it takes an ego to get something done in Tulsa right now then so be it.

[TheArtist]

I think the Utica Place building is beautiful. I also like how it has structured parking. I also like his building on the corner of 21st and Utica. The Arvest Building...sucks lol.

I hope this office tower on Utica also has structured parking. Though it would have been nice for it to have been a midrise apartment building, a good sized office building right there will help flesh out the area and make it truly more "mixed use". A person can live, shop, eat, play, and now have an office, all within a short walking distance. Truly mixed use areas arent just about living, eating and shopping. Plus that allows for people to have many more businesses be nearby that they may use. Insurance office, tax preparers and accountants, etc. etc.  

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by BierGarten

quote:Originally posted by inteller

the problem with bumgarner's designs is that he really thinks they are beautiful...I mean he is so full of it that he cant see that the same dreck is done everywhere else.  When he was busy making his mouth punching comments during South Town Market discussions he said that it would be the most beautiful thing in south tulsa, not like that other "riff raff" up and down memorial.  Then when I saw the design I was like "this is just some BS facades with EIFS and more fake donkey cornices!" but because the power lines are going to be buried it will be oh so wonderful....BFD!

the guy is so blinded by his own ego that he cant see that the crap he is building has zero creativity.  i wonder if he gets a little tickle in his pants every time he walks by a building with EIFS and a tile roof?

In Bixby they have a design committee that ensures architectual harmony as part of the planning.  Tulsa does not.  When you sit and think about that for a minute that is just sad.

That may be the worst idea I have heard in a while.  Are you proposing yet another barrier to progress in Tulsa?  Ridiculous.  I bet you would propose that you should be the founding member of this "design committee".  

According to you, if it looks like everything else it must be bad. How does that jive with "harmony as part of the planning"?

If it takes an ego to get something done in Tulsa right now then so be it.

oh boy, sounds like we have the start of the bumgarner fan club!  Let me guess, your club house will have a clay tile rood and EIFS walls.

[tshane250]

At least Bumgarner actually gets things built, unlike so many other developers who come out all blabbing about what they're going to build, but never do.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I think the Utica Place building is beautiful. I also like how it has structured parking. I also like his building on the corner of 21st and Utica. The Arvest Building...sucks lol.

I hope this office tower on Utica also has structured parking. Though it would have been nice for it to have been a midrise apartment building, a good sized office building right there will help flesh out the area and make it truly more "mixed use". A person can live, shop, eat, play, and now have an office, all within a short walking distance. Truly mixed use areas arent just about living, eating and shopping. Plus that allows for people to have many more businesses be nearby that they may use. Insurance office, tax preparers and accountants, etc. etc.  

It's a medical office building. There's plenty of that in the area already. There won't be any insurance offices, tax preparers, accountants, etc.

If this building would be on the same scale as Arvest or SNB I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Hell, I'd rather see the proposed homeless shelter at Admiral & Yale go in at this location  instead of what Bumgarner is proposing, considering that Metro Lofts and their counterparts have economically cleansed the area of almost all the affordable housing. Not to mention the fact that Bumgarner let the buildings that faced Utica become a blighted, unsecured, de facto homeless shelter, for squatters for many years anyway. That is, when he was not donating the use of the building to the Brad Carson "Oklahoma Party" coordinated campaign that nearly bankrupted the Oklahoma Democratic Party.

[Rico]

LaFortuna is on your side Aa.........

I was out of pocket, but considering the BOA last couple of rulings on this issue, I assume this was unsuccessful... at least I hope so.

Board of Adjustments   meeting item from 8/26/08
1402 S LEWIS AV

Variance of the 1,200 ft. spacing requirement for an outdoor advertising sign from another outdoor advertising sign on the same side of the highway (Section 1221.F.2)

 Bill LaFortune, 1100 Mid-Continent Tower, 918.582.5281
her is a pic
of the area "Tubby" feels good use a good size additional billboard piece of art.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

LaFortuna is on your side Aa.........

I was out of pocket, but considering the BOA last couple of rulings on this issue, I assume this was unsuccessful... at least I hope so.

Board of Adjustments   meeting item from 8/26/08
1402 S LEWIS AV

Variance of the 1,200 ft. spacing requirement for an outdoor advertising sign from another outdoor advertising sign on the same side of the highway (Section 1221.F.2)

 Bill LaFortune, 1100 Mid-Continent Tower, 918.582.5281
her is a pic
of the area "Tubby" feels good use a good size additional billboard piece of art.

You ain't seen nothing yet. I heard the buildings on that corner are about to be scraped for new construction. Too bad they didn't extend the boundaries of the Lewis study to 11th. There would have been some design guidelines to get good infill to replace the existing structures instead of anything goes if ya got the gold.

[carltonplace]

Double A, which buildings? The AT&T building at 14th and Lewis? Trying to get a picture in my head.