Devon Tower in OKC Unveiled

[okcpulse]

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

[YoungTulsan]

Note that figures referencing the Tulsa MSA actually reflect a lower average/median income than in Tulsa Proper and its main suburbs.  The MSA includes Tulsa , Rogers , Wagoner , Okmulgee , Creek , Pawnee , Osage couties.  Extending the statistical boundaries that far out into the country pulls down a stat like income level significantly.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

[Conan71]

Curious if they've cleared all that with the FAA and the USAF.  I'm quite well aware of the "tower farm" in north OKC.  This is much closer down the glide slope to Tinker and WRIA.

[pfox]

I agree with Michael Bates, pretty much word for word regarding the effect tall buildings typically have on where they are built.

The taller the building, the bigger the parking donut around it is, particularly in OKC where they actually have a worse mass transit system than Tulsa.  (although they are doing an Alternatives Analysis on a downtown Streetcar circulator.)

The building will be a good thing for OKC in that it continues to build a positive psyche amongst its citizens about the future for their city.  This more than anything is what we are missing.

[OUGrad05]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

Wow, a little sensitive, are we?

I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster.  That should be common sense.  It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Personally, I could give two rat's asses what that stank-hole down the turnpike does (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole.  I don't care if they are getting an NBA team.  You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

I thought they were going to build a 1000 foot oil well.  What happened to that?

[okcpulse]

quote: I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster. That should be common sense. It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Let's park the tornado alley bit.  It isn't like they're waiting in line to twist through Oklahoma City every spring.  We average a major tornado every 20 years or so, and they always seem to veer south of Oklahoma City.  Just look at the homes in Heritage Hills.  They've been there for 100 years and a tornado has yet to knock on the front door of the Overholser Mansion.

quote: (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  

Ugh, here we go again with the state funds leeching mambajahamba.  It seems like every good accomplishment Oklahoma City makes that DOESN'T involve state funds, the fiasco is brought up by many a Tulsan anyway.  Seriously, let it go.

quote: Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory. And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

Yeah, and the same doubts from Tulsa were cast on the Skirvin.  People in Tulsa said the project would fizzle.  Well, it didn't.  And how many times in U.S. history to a skyscraper get half built?  How many times will Tulsa bring up OneOk everytime Oklahoma City decides to throw up another highrise?

quote: And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole. I don't care if they are getting an NBA team. You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

You don't know what a craphole is until you've visited a rustbelt city in the northeast.  Then we can talk.  Hate Oklahoma City all you want, it's your opinion, but I think both OKC and Tulsa have a bright future ahead.  I just hope Tulsa can get better leadership.

[OUGrad05]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

Wow, a little sensitive, are we?

I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster.  That should be common sense.  It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Personally, I could give two rat's asses what that stank-hole down the turnpike does (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole.  I don't care if they are getting an NBA team.  You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

I thought they were going to build a 1000 foot oil well.  What happened to that?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, I dunno, I don't think I am...but I"m judging myself...

Tornado alley?  Whoopdeedooo DFW had many tornadoes OKC gets hit by tornadoes all the time and a major tornado has not ever struck the CBD dead on.  Given the statistical odds its a moot point.  They'll have insurance anyways, so I dont see what the big deal is.  

Your hatred for OKC is pretty rampant and basically proves my point.  I want nothing more than for Tulsa AND OKC to succeed strong metro's make a strong state regardless of who trumps who with a building or an NBA team.  Tulsa is a gorgeous city with similar potential to OKC and they exercised this potential in the 40s, 50s and 60s.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

Wow, a little sensitive, are we?

I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster.  That should be common sense.  It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Personally, I could give two rat's asses what that stank-hole down the turnpike does (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole.  I don't care if they are getting an NBA team.  You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

I thought they were going to build a 1000 foot oil well.  What happened to that?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, I dunno, I don't think I am...but I"m judging myself...

Tornado alley?  Whoopdeedooo DFW had many tornadoes OKC gets hit by tornadoes all the time and a major tornado has not ever struck the CBD dead on.  Given the statistical odds its a moot point.  They'll have insurance anyways, so I dont see what the big deal is.  

Your hatred for OKC is pretty rampant and basically proves my point.  I want nothing more than for Tulsa AND OKC to succeed strong metro's make a strong state regardless of who trumps who with a building or an NBA team.  Tulsa is a gorgeous city with similar potential to OKC and they exercised this potential in the 40s, 50s and 60s.

And my hatred of it is just that: mine.

I don't go around telling other people 'You must hate OKC at all costs'.  I will them my views though, if solicited, either implied or umimplied.  I don't profess to be the seer of all things OKCitian.

I'll continue to hate OKC until such a time as those people in the State House quite kowtowing to those interests OKC and brush off the Tulsa interests in kind.  If you're so much for Tulsa AND OKC progressing, tell OKC lawmakers and politicians to quit *****ing every time Tulsa asks for something from the State Lawmakers.

[okcpulse]

quote: I'll continue to hate OKC until such a time as those people in the State House quite kowtowing to those interests OKC and brush off the Tulsa interests in kind. If you're so much for Tulsa AND OKC progressing, tell OKC lawmakers and politicians to quit *****ing every time Tulsa asks for something from the State Lawmakers.

Then hate the lawmakers, not OKC.  OKC in and of itself has squat to do with what goes on at the state capitol.  We are NOT going to roll over dead and shut the city down just because of a few begrudged Tulsans.  I have done my part.  I have written my local senator and representative to encourage more partnership between OKC and Tulsa.  Have you done the same?

In reality, though, it isn't the job of politicians to represent someone else's district.  We put them in office to represent our local district.  It is the job of the State Commerce Department to represent the entire state equally.  Tulsa and OKC's Chambers of Commerce have forged a partnership to lobby state government together on urban projects.  But that was just recently, so in time we will see how it plays out.

[OUGrad05]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

Wow, a little sensitive, are we?

I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster.  That should be common sense.  It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Personally, I could give two rat's asses what that stank-hole down the turnpike does (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole.  I don't care if they are getting an NBA team.  You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

I thought they were going to build a 1000 foot oil well.  What happened to that?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, I dunno, I don't think I am...but I"m judging myself...

Tornado alley?  Whoopdeedooo DFW had many tornadoes OKC gets hit by tornadoes all the time and a major tornado has not ever struck the CBD dead on.  Given the statistical odds its a moot point.  They'll have insurance anyways, so I dont see what the big deal is.  

Your hatred for OKC is pretty rampant and basically proves my point.  I want nothing more than for Tulsa AND OKC to succeed strong metro's make a strong state regardless of who trumps who with a building or an NBA team.  Tulsa is a gorgeous city with similar potential to OKC and they exercised this potential in the 40s, 50s and 60s.

And my hatred of it is just that: mine.

I don't go around telling other people 'You must hate OKC at all costs'.  I will them my views though, if solicited, either implied or umimplied.  I don't profess to be the seer of all things OKCitian.

I'll continue to hate OKC until such a time as those people in the State House quite kowtowing to those interests OKC and brush off the Tulsa interests in kind.  If you're so much for Tulsa AND OKC progressing, tell OKC lawmakers and politicians to quit *****ing every time Tulsa asks for something from the State Lawmakers.

Maybe the city of Tulsa should worry about fixing what it can fix before looking down the turnpike to OKC and blaming them for Tulsas problems?  

The same thing was happening in OKC in the late 80s early 90s when tulsa seemed to be the beacon of the state.  Lots of people in OKC hated tulsa and from a young age I never really understood it.  We would take trips to and through tulsa and it always seemed nice.  My aunt swore by Tulsa after living here for years in the 1970s.  After an extensive visit last year she wasn't so sure she wanted to move up here.  Though I'm still trying to talk her into it.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: So you're saying per capita income doubled in a year?

Those figures are from two different sources.  Per capita income figures from the Census Bureau are based strictly on workplace wages.

Bureau of Economic Analysis figures include income from place of work, farm income, proprietary and royalty income, rental income and dividends.

Anyway, how did this become a statistical debate?  I thought we were talking about a skyscraper.

Until I see it break ground in Q309, it's all theory.  And even then, remember the OneOk fiasco?

I can't understand why they felt the need, in the middle of the plains, to go all glass for a 950 foot tower.  That's inviting disaster.

1) why is it inviting disaster?
2) why is it that the Tulsa and DFW boards seem to hate the idea of OKC building a new skyscraper so they're dooming it with a bunch of naysaying BS?  

Devon is very sound financially and has been talking about this for more than 2 years and talking seriously for about a year.  They've got cash coming out of the rectums and are in a good position even at 40 dollar/bbl oil.

Wow, a little sensitive, are we?

I'm merely pointing out that 950 feet of an all glass building IN THE MIDDLE OF TORNADO ALLEY is inviting disaster.  That should be common sense.  It was bad enough when it happened in Houston several years back.

Personally, I could give two rat's asses what that stank-hole down the turnpike does (since it essentially leeches everything as far as state related funds go).  And before you go on about the sterotype and how anything Tulsa always hates anything OKC, I base my hatred on the fact that I spend a good portion of four years in that hole.  I don't care if they are getting an NBA team.  You can polish a bronze turd...guess what, it's still a turd!

I thought they were going to build a 1000 foot oil well.  What happened to that?

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, I dunno, I don't think I am...but I"m judging myself...

Tornado alley?  Whoopdeedooo DFW had many tornadoes OKC gets hit by tornadoes all the time and a major tornado has not ever struck the CBD dead on.  Given the statistical odds its a moot point.  They'll have insurance anyways, so I dont see what the big deal is.  

Your hatred for OKC is pretty rampant and basically proves my point.  I want nothing more than for Tulsa AND OKC to succeed strong metro's make a strong state regardless of who trumps who with a building or an NBA team.  Tulsa is a gorgeous city with similar potential to OKC and they exercised this potential in the 40s, 50s and 60s.

And my hatred of it is just that: mine.

I don't go around telling other people 'You must hate OKC at all costs'.  I will them my views though, if solicited, either implied or umimplied.  I don't profess to be the seer of all things OKCitian.

I'll continue to hate OKC until such a time as those people in the State House quite kowtowing to those interests OKC and brush off the Tulsa interests in kind.  If you're so much for Tulsa AND OKC progressing, tell OKC lawmakers and politicians to quit *****ing every time Tulsa asks for something from the State Lawmakers.

Maybe the city of Tulsa should worry about fixing what it can fix before looking down the turnpike to OKC and blaming them for Tulsas problems?  

The same thing was happening in OKC in the late 80s early 90s when tulsa seemed to be the beacon of the state.  Lots of people in OKC hated tulsa and from a young age I never really understood it.  We would take trips to and through tulsa and it always seemed nice.  My aunt swore by Tulsa after living here for years in the 1970s.  After an extensive visit last year she wasn't so sure she wanted to move up here.  Though I'm still trying to talk her into it.

The problem is 'fixing what it can fix' and '*****ing about OKC taking the bigger share' go hand in hand.

I use the example time and again, but how long now has it taken for Tulsa to get I-44 widened?  We've been working on it for 15 years, going on 15 more.

I'm obviously not the only one thinking this:  the World's own polical cartoonist who lives in the area obviously thinks the same.

[okcpulse]

quote: The problem is 'fixing what it can fix' and '*****ing about OKC taking the bigger share' go hand in hand.

I use the example time and again, but how long now has it taken for Tulsa to get I-44 widened? We've been working on it for 15 years, going on 15 more.

I'm obviously not the only one thinking this: the World's own polical cartoonist who lives in the area obviously thinks the same.

That is not our fault.  Blame it on ODOT.  And it is of no surprise, as well as pathetic, that Tulsa's local media endorses such divided behavior.  There is OKC stereotype written all over that cartoon.

[Chris]

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

quote: The problem is 'fixing what it can fix' and '*****ing about OKC taking the bigger share' go hand in hand.

I use the example time and again, but how long now has it taken for Tulsa to get I-44 widened? We've been working on it for 15 years, going on 15 more.

I'm obviously not the only one thinking this: the World's own polical cartoonist who lives in the area obviously thinks the same.

That is not our fault.  Blame it on ODOT.  And it is of no surprise, as well as pathetic, that Tulsa's local media endorses such divided behavior.  There is OKC stereotype written all over that cartoon.

There is Truth written all over that cartoon.