Obama bin Biden

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

The combination of B.O. and Biden will be great. Their combined arrogance will be increased exponentially. They truly compliment one another. Extreme left wing, empty suit, with no experience and extreme empty suit with extreme left wing experience. Throw in a billion pounds of arrogance, with no common sense or understanding and we have our Dynamic Dim Duo! By the time these two are done showing their collective @SS, only the most die hard of liberal Kool Aid drinkers will be able to pull the lever, for them, with out throwing up in their mouth. Excellent choice B.O.!!!! YOOOOO Joe!!!!!!

I was going to reply. Not worth it.

That's okay the WB, I got a minute.

After eight years of Bush, I think we can all relate to the word "extremism".  Biden's a lefty, but you are going to have to help us understand what make him so "extreme".

Is it Biden's authorship of the 1994 crime bill that put 100,000 cops on the street?  Was it the fact that he reinstated and increased funding to the COPS program in 2007, thereby keeping those 100,000 cops funded and adding 10,000 more?  You know, a lot of conservatives voted against COPS because it was "too expensive".  No for cops, but apparently spending a trillion bucks in Iraq, no questions mind you, is just fine.  You conservatives sure have your priorities in order.

Is it is support of mandatory prison sentences for gun crimes?  His co-authoring of the FBI registry of sexual offenders?  Sentencing guidelines for violent criminals?

I say, what the h*ll, why not let a couple of liberals run the show for a while?  How could they POSSIBLY screw up any more than Bush?  Why would anyone think that four more years of McSame is going to produce a different result?

Granted, Bush and McCain are not true conservatives as evidenced by their "borrow and spend" economic bad habits.  I feel sorry for you guys on this point.  Used to be you guys had a leg to stand on when it came to fiscal responsibility.  That went out the door with Reagan.  You guys have had 16 of the last 24 years to prove that trickle down economics works.  It doesn't, and it's painfully obvious to everyone. All you have to show fer it is a mountain of debt and a middle-class worker that that is no better off than he was 20+ years ago.  That's not conservatism, that's kleptocracy.  Your guys have stolen from social programs; from public lands; from the working class; and most importantly, from the pockets of our children and grandchildren.

Whether you vote democratic or republican this year, we're still going to have a deficit...your guy screwed us THAT bad.  But at least with Obama, middle-class working folks can expect greater tax relief, better access to health care, a new energy policy that doesn't stuff cash into the pockets of big oil, and an end to discredited, deadly neo-con games of Risk.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

For shame Guido. Your headline implies they have terrorist leanings then you apologize in you first post, yet the slam remains. Truly despicable.

I thought Biden would be his best choice. Just saw the annoucement and feel real good about it. Joe knows McCain and knows he sold out. He won't let him skate on it either.

Oh come on Whatever Waterboy. You know damn well that was not what I was implying. If you surf around the nets, you will see that Obama bin Biden joke is all over the place--even on DU where I first saw it.

As for Biden, I think this was Obama's best choice.

What happens when you slip even a little bit and have some fun (I know that you meant it in a politically teasing way) is that crazies come out of the woodwork and go wacko using name calling instead of thinking.

I agree, they are a good match and he showed some restraint as I'm sure lots of people were pushing for HRC or some other problematic choice.

BTW, did I hear McCain is proposing troop levels that pretty much guarantee a draft to accomplish?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little   You guys have had 16 of the last 24 years to prove that trickle down economics works.  It doesn't, and it's painfully obvious to everyone. All you have to show fer it is a mountain of debt and a middle-class worker that that is no better off than he was 20+ years ago.  

I believe it used to work. There was a time when lower taxes for the upper income class did trickle down to the lower income folks. The tax breaks lead to job creation. Something happened. They don't create jobs anymore. They contract everything to temp jobs and do it as cheap as possible. The working class has been turned into a commodity, one that struggles with non-residents filling as many slots as they can.

The tried and true economic theories of the republican party just got outdated. It wasn't their fault entirely that hiring became potentially so expensive (health care, potential discrimination suits, etc.).

Trickle-down economics just turned into tinkle-on economic failure.

It is time to try something else. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is raising the minimum wage three times like Bill Clinton did. Maybe it is going to a flat tax or a fair tax method.

Electing John McCain will just drown the country because he will keep doing the same as the guy before him...

[Conan71]

Fair Tax is the only way.  Too many loopholes and unjustness to the present tax codes, aside from udulating, complicated codes which are hard to keep track of.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Fair Tax is the only way.  Too many loopholes and unjustness to the present tax codes, aside from udulating, complicated codes which are hard to keep track of.

Simplified tax code (regardless of party)

1. How much did you make?

2. Send it in.

[Crash Daily]

I don't like Bush's job performance. I do think he did the right things, when acting like a Conservative Republican, on many occasions, but messed them up really bad. It's been no picnic since he took office though. Just take a brief history of what happened during his Presidency and let's not get in to the blame game on that. I have another president in mind for setting the stage, just as sure as you're ready to blame Bush for things that happened while he was still new in office. He had a tough job, he's NOT a real Republican and he could have done a lot better. History will be much kinder than you think.

I can't stand McCain, multiply that by a 1000 and you have my dislike of Obama. Everything he parrots, when not being spoon fed by a teleprompter is enough to make a Saturday Night Live episode. What makes it not funny is he's actually close to being our next President.

Oh no!! Bush and Cheney are tied to big oil!!! Their associations tie them to big oil, yet Obama gets a pass for his association with a "down with the U.S." terrorist and a black and Africa first, hate mongering, racist? You KNOW who I'm talking about. Bill and the good Rev. Birds of a feather, words of wisdom. You don't see it, because you don't want to see it. Need I even mention his crazed America hating wife?

Top that off with the fact that he gets caught in a lie every time he strays from the prompter, has the most extremist left wing voting record in the Senate, has NO, ZIP, NONE experience, so he'll be led by some puppet master and would let BORN babies be murdered, if he hadn't been called on the whole, "above my pay grade" BS and you have a real scary creep of a guy.

If he gets in office, this nation is toast. Sure McCain will drag us down, but I think this Obama guy can actually drag us under. I wasn't going to vote this year. This creep gives me no choice. Republicans corrupted themselves, as individuals. As little as I like it, at least it wasn't their Party platform and you don't see me jumping for joy to support them. Dims make my stomach turn.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

I don't like Bush's job performance. I do think he did the right things, when acting like a Conservative Republican, on many occasions, but messed them up really bad. It's been no picnic since he took office though. Just take a brief history of what happened during his Presidency and let's not get in to the blame game on that. I have another president in mind for setting the stage, just as sure as you're ready to blame Bush for things that happened while he was still new in office. He had a tough job, he's NOT a real Republican and he could have done a lot better. History will be much kinder than you think.

I can't stand McCain, multiply that by a 1000 and you have my dislike of Obama. Everything he parrots, when not being spoon fed by a teleprompter is enough to make a Saturday Night Live episode. What makes it not funny is he's actually close to being our next President.

Oh no!! Bush and Cheney are tied to big oil!!! Their associations tie them to big oil, yet Obama gets a pass for his association with a "down with the U.S." terrorist and a black and Africa first, hate mongering, racist? You KNOW who I'm talking about. Bill and the good Rev. Birds of a feather, words of wisdom. You don't see it, because you don't want to see it. Need I even mention his crazed America hating wife?

Top that off with the fact that he gets caught in a lie every time he strays from the prompter, has the most extremist left wing voting record in the Senate, has NO, ZIP, NONE experience, so he'll be led by some puppet master and would let BORN babies be murdered, if he hadn't been called on the whole, "above my pay grade" BS and you have a real scary creep of a guy.

If he gets in office, this nation is toast. Sure McCain will drag us down, but I think this Obama guy can actually drag us under. I wasn't going to vote this year. This creep gives me no choice. Republicans corrupted as individuals and as little as I like it, at least it wasn't their Party platform.

You're beginning to turn into a caricature.  I believe in the long run Obama will win.

The righties said when Clinton took office this country would go to hell in a handcart.  Well, if they're saying that about Obama, that's good.  I'll take 8 years of the WJ Clinton handcart any day of the week.....

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

I don't like Bush's job performance. I do think he did the right things, when acting like a Conservative Republican, on many occasions, but messed them up really bad. It's been no picnic since he took office though. Just take a brief history of what happened during his Presidency and let's not get in to the blame game on that. I have another president in mind for setting the stage, just as sure as you're ready to blame Bush for things that happened while he was still new in office. He had a tough job, he's NOT a real Republican and he could have done a lot better. History will be much kinder than you think.

I can't stand McCain, multiply that by a 1000 and you have my dislike of Obama. Everything he parrots, when not being spoon fed by a teleprompter is enough to make a Saturday Night Live episode. What makes it not funny is he's actually close to being our next President.

Oh no!! Bush and Cheney are tied to big oil!!! Their associations tie them to big oil, yet Obama gets a pass for his association with a "down with the U.S." terrorist and a black and Africa first, hate mongering, racist? You KNOW who I'm talking about. Bill and the good Rev. Birds of a feather, words of wisdom. You don't see it, because you don't want to see it. Need I even mention his crazed America hating wife?

Top that off with the fact that he gets caught in a lie every time he strays from the prompter, has the most extremist left wing voting record in the Senate, has NO, ZIP, NONE experience, so he'll be led by some puppet master and would let BORN babies be murdered, if he hadn't been called on the whole, "above my pay grade" BS and you have a real scary creep of a guy.

If he gets in office, this nation is toast. Sure McCain will drag us down, but I think this Obama guy can actually drag us under. I wasn't going to vote this year. This creep gives me no choice. Republicans corrupted as individuals and as little as I like it, at least it wasn't their Party platform.

You're beginning to turn into a caricature.  I believe in the long run Obama will win.

The righties said when Clinton took office this country would go to hell in a handcart.  Well, if they're saying that about Obama, that's good.  I'll take 8 years of the WJ Clinton handcart any day of the week.....

Some parts of the economy were starting to tank before WJC left office, the machine tool business (manufacturing) in particular.  Several of my friends lost their job around then. I managed to hang on until about 2003, then found myself seeking employment.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little   You guys have had 16 of the last 24 years to prove that trickle down economics works.  It doesn't, and it's painfully obvious to everyone. All you have to show fer it is a mountain of debt and a middle-class worker that that is no better off than he was 20+ years ago.  

I believe it used to work. There was a time when lower taxes for the upper income class did trickle down to the lower income folks. The tax breaks lead to job creation. Something happened. They don't create jobs anymore. They contract everything to temp jobs and do it as cheap as possible. The working class has been turned into a commodity, one that struggles with non-residents filling as many slots as they can.

The tried and true economic theories of the republican party just got outdated. It wasn't their fault entirely that hiring became potentially so expensive (health care, potential discrimination suits, etc.).

Trickle-down economics just turned into tinkle-on economic failure.

It is time to try something else. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is raising the minimum wage three times like Bill Clinton did. Maybe it is going to a flat tax or a fair tax method.

Electing John McCain will just drown the country because he will keep doing the same as the guy before him...

RM, I think whether tax cuts for the upper class "trickled down" to jobs for lower classes is at best debatable.  Afterall, two years into his presidency, when Reagan's economic policies were in full swing, our country experienced the highest unemployment since the great depression, at over 10%.  Unless you lived in Tulsa, where oil & gas pulled us through, the early 80's were very, very difficult times for average Americans.

As for employing people becoming too expensive, I find that hard to believe since real wages have been on the decline for a while now.  Perhaps the real cause is the disproportionate rise in income for the top 1% of the population.  You can't keep paying your workers when you have to pay top level employees unprecedented bonuses & salaries.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

I don't like Bush's job performance. I do think he did the right things, when acting like a Conservative Republican, on many occasions, but messed them up really bad. It's been no picnic since he took office though. Just take a brief history of what happened during his Presidency and let's not get in to the blame game on that. I have another president in mind for setting the stage, just as sure as you're ready to blame Bush for things that happened while he was still new in office. He had a tough job, he's NOT a real Republican and he could have done a lot better. History will be much kinder than you think.

I can't stand McCain, multiply that by a 1000 and you have my dislike of Obama. Everything he parrots, when not being spoon fed by a teleprompter is enough to make a Saturday Night Live episode. What makes it not funny is he's actually close to being our next President.

Oh no!! Bush and Cheney are tied to big oil!!! Their associations tie them to big oil, yet Obama gets a pass for his association with a "down with the U.S." terrorist and a black and Africa first, hate mongering, racist? You KNOW who I'm talking about. Bill and the good Rev. Birds of a feather, words of wisdom. You don't see it, because you don't want to see it. Need I even mention his crazed America hating wife?

Top that off with the fact that he gets caught in a lie every time he strays from the prompter, has the most extremist left wing voting record in the Senate, has NO, ZIP, NONE experience, so he'll be led by some puppet master and would let BORN babies be murdered, if he hadn't been called on the whole, "above my pay grade" BS and you have a real scary creep of a guy.

If he gets in office, this nation is toast. Sure McCain will drag us down, but I think this Obama guy can actually drag us under. I wasn't going to vote this year. This creep gives me no choice. Republicans corrupted as individuals and as little as I like it, at least it wasn't their Party platform.

You're beginning to turn into a caricature.  I believe in the long run Obama will win.

The righties said when Clinton took office this country would go to hell in a handcart.  Well, if they're saying that about Obama, that's good.  I'll take 8 years of the WJ Clinton handcart any day of the week.....

Some parts of the economy were starting to tank before WJC left office, the machine tool business (manufacturing) in particular.  Several of my friends lost their job around then. I managed to hang on until about 2003, then found myself seeking employment.

Probably because they saw the writing on the wall...[:O]

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Probably because they saw the writing on the wall...[:O]

Not in this particular case. Sales and backlog were down several months before the election.  Unless you predicted a Bush win well before one of the most contested elections in US history, I don't believe it was writing on the wall.  I almost voted for Algore just to let "them" take full credit for the economy.  []

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Probably because they saw the writing on the wall...[:O]

Not in this particular case. Sales and backlog were down several months before the election.  Unless you predicted a Bush win well before one of the most contested elections in US history, I don't believe it was writing on the wall.  I almost voted for Algore just to let "them" take full credit for the economy.  []

Sorry about the duplicate post.  Windows 98SE and 56K dialup strike again. I tried to delete the duplicate and couldn't.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow



Windows 98SE and 56K dialup strike again.

Wow. I'm surprised that both of those still exist.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little   You guys have had 16 of the last 24 years to prove that trickle down economics works.  It doesn't, and it's painfully obvious to everyone. All you have to show fer it is a mountain of debt and a middle-class worker that that is no better off than he was 20+ years ago.  

I believe it used to work. There was a time when lower taxes for the upper income class did trickle down to the lower income folks. The tax breaks lead to job creation. Something happened. They don't create jobs anymore. They contract everything to temp jobs and do it as cheap as possible. The working class has been turned into a commodity, one that struggles with non-residents filling as many slots as they can.

The tried and true economic theories of the republican party just got outdated. It wasn't their fault entirely that hiring became potentially so expensive (health care, potential discrimination suits, etc.).

Trickle-down economics just turned into tinkle-on economic failure.

It is time to try something else. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is raising the minimum wage three times like Bill Clinton did. Maybe it is going to a flat tax or a fair tax method.

Electing John McCain will just drown the country because he will keep doing the same as the guy before him...

RM, I think whether tax cuts for the upper class "trickled down" to jobs for lower classes is at best debatable.  Afterall, two years into his presidency, when Reagan's economic policies were in full swing, our country experienced the highest unemployment since the great depression, at over 10%.  Unless you lived in Tulsa, where oil & gas pulled us through, the early 80's were very, very difficult times for average Americans.

Just an emotional response:
While I was young at this time, these were the years that I learned what it was to be truly poor.  My family lived in a small oil town, but weren't really supported by that industry. My Dad's contracting business had dried up and he was reduced to taking a job in a slaughterhouse an hour away from where we lived.  My Mom had to find work (was a stay at home Mom) and I started looking out for myself.  I walked home from school everyday to find empty kitchen cabinets.  Ironically, I thought Ronald Reagan was great.  We were taught to be good patriots in school and, of course, Alex Keaten was cool and he idolized Reagan. Seemed simple enough.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

Probably because they saw the writing on the wall...[:O]

Not in this particular case. Sales and backlog were down several months before the election.  Unless you predicted a Bush win well before one of the most contested elections in US history, I don't believe it was writing on the wall.  I almost voted for Algore just to let "them" take full credit for the economy.  []

Sorry about the duplicate post.  Windows 98SE and 56K dialup strike again. I tried to delete the duplicate and couldn't.

wow dude...there are companies that throw away computers better than that.  You need to do some dumpster diving.