Biden as VP

[Gaspar]

Biden is a good choice for Obama.  He's an Olde-Gard Washington insider who has been in the Senate since he was 27 years old (36 years).  He is considered a friend to Republicans and Democrats.

Biden is hard not to like.  He very seldom takes a hard position and is well known for working with republicans on national defense matters and the funding of troops.  He will line up behind Reed and Pelosi for the press, but backs off hard legislation.  He is prone to saying silly things to the press that make him seem like a sweet simpleton, but he's not, he just doesn't think before he speaks. When it comes to his legislative history he carefully chooses causes that are very liberal, but serve little purpose, therefore keeping him under the radar, and away from the attacks that his comrades face.

His political history is mostly fluffy little feel good liberal bills and resolutions.  


Biden legislation:
National Stalking Awareness Month
International Women's Day
Campus Fire Safety Month
National Autoimmune Diseases Awareness Month
Yom Hashoah, Holocaust Memorial Day
National Medicine Abuse Awareness Month
National Aphasia Awareness Month
National Mammography Day
National Veterans Awareness Week
National Drug Prevention and Education Week
National Drug Court Month
A bill to direct the Secretary of Energy to provide grants to States for the distribution of compact fluorescent lights
and a slew of defense funding bills.

His voting history is 100% liberal, but he will abstain from voting on hard legislation or unwise legislation that his vote could influence.  He is a PR Liberal.

Because his vast experience is relegated to non-controversial liberal feel-good legislation, national defense and foreign relations, he poses no threat to Obama's lack of experience, and they complement each other quite well.

This was the smartest decision that the DNC has made in a long time.  He is truly the only reasonable choice.  This ticket will be hard to beat. Obama has the cult of personality, and Biden doesn't have a tough piece of meat on his body, and can be easily shelved.  

The DNC is upset because the announcement didn't produce the bounce they expected, but there really isn't anything about Biden to excite anyone.  The one drawback is that Biden has been around the Senate for 36 years and even though he's a legislative wallflower, 36 years is a long time, with lots of words, positions, and statements under the bridge to be examined.

[RecycleMichael]

A small correction. Biden was 29 when he was elected to the Senate and turned 30 before he was sworn in.

Biden is a good choice. He is a very persuasive speaker, has a great resume, and is not afraid to go toe to toe in an argument.

I bet the republicans are worried. Biden ain't afraid to tell it like it is. John Kerry and John Edwards were guys who thought they could get elected by their ideals. Campaigns get ugly fast and Biden is a fighter. McCain is going to have to come up with somebody good to counter. Dan Quayle need not apply.

Biden is a great choice on this ticket. Watch his speech in Denver this week.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Watch his speech in Denver this week.

Who will he be plagiarizing this time?

[pmcalk]

^^At least he knows how many houses he owns.

I always thought the plagiarism claims against Biden were greatly exaggerated.  Yes, he used a couple of lines in a speech that were similar to a British Politician.  And as a young man in law school, he had to repeat a course after he failed to properly cite to a published law school article.  Big deal.  It's not like he quoted Wikipedia....

[RecycleMichael]

Controversy helped derail Biden's candidacy for the U.S. presidency in the 1988 Presidential campaign. He was found to have plagiarized a speech from British Labour Party (UK) leader Neil Kinnock.

After Biden withdrew from the race, it was learned that he had correctly credited Kinnock on other occasions but failed to do so in an Iowa speech that was recorded and distributed to reporters by aides to Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee. Dukakis fired the senior aide responsible, but the damage had already been done to Biden.

Biden learned that primary politics can be cruel. I criticized Obama during the primary for his catch phrase, "Yes we can." It was clearly plagiarized from the kids TV show "Bob the Builder."

I think both of these are very minor flaws. I would rather my candidate borrow someone else's truth than to come up with their own lies.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

^^At least he knows how many houses he owns.

I always thought the plagiarism claims against Biden were greatly exaggerated.  Yes, he used a couple of lines in a speech that were similar to a British Politician.  And as a young man in law school, he had to repeat a course after he failed to properly cite to a published law school article.  Big deal.  It's not like he quoted Wikipedia....

To his credit, Biden does have a very high IQ:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/21/obamabiden-for-the-arrogance-ticket/

Can you count how many lies he spouts in that video? Don't waste your time, the NYT did that for you:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D91F3CF931A1575AC0A961948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

As for knowing how many houses he owns, I thought this thread was about Biden. Nice attempt at changing the subject though.

[RecycleMichael]

Since you want honesty from your candidates...let's take a look at McCain lies in his campaign commercials.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

Here is an ethical question for you, Guido.

Which is worse, borrowing words from another politician without giving him credit or producing campaign commercials lying about your opponent?

[Conan71]

That's novel, McCain's got to be the first POTUS candidate to lie or exaggerate in an ad, huh?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/not_pictured_here.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_overstatement.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/reed_reality.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/distorting_mccains_remarks.html

That's four distortions by Obama's campaign just on that one page.  

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

That's novel, McCain's got to be the first POTUS candidate to lie or exaggerate in an ad, huh?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/not_pictured_here.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_overstatement.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/reed_reality.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/distorting_mccains_remarks.html

That's four distortions by Obama's campaign just on that one page.  

Yep, just like McSame said he would be running a campaign based on fact, and not a smear campaign.  I thought 'how refreshing', then though, 'how long will that last once his poll numbers stink'.  The answer:  about 24 hours.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Since you want honesty from your candidates...let's take a look at McCain lies in his campaign commercials.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

Here is an ethical question for you, Guido.

Which is worse, borrowing words from another politician without giving him credit or producing campaign commercials lying about your opponent?

We can go round and round on the "lies" told by the presidential candidates thus far. I guess to answer your question, lying about your opponent in campaign advertisements is wrong. So also, however, is lying about your academic achievements--in particular your class rank in law school and college degrees earned which is exactly what Biden did. Incidentally, Obama is not exactly been a fountain of truth. I am still waiting for his filibuster on telecom immunity and his taking public financing.  

Remember RM how you made a big deal over McCain's low class rank at the Naval Academy, in an effort to make him out to be an ignorant dolt. You are surprisingly (/sarc) silent on Biden and his low class rank.

[Conan71]

He was also adamantly against Obama up till HRC dropped out.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Watch his speech in Denver this week.

Who will he be plagiarizing this time?

Perhaps he should.  When he writes his own speeches, funny stuff comes out.  Here are a few great Biden speech moments:

"In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking." - July 2006

Barack Obama is a "clean" black person. – February 2007

One reason that so many District of Columbia schools fail is the city's high minority population. – October 2007

They're gonna have to keep a tight leash on him.  Perhaps a remote-control shock-collar.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

He was also adamantly against Obama up till HRC dropped out.

This is funny, although RM will probably not appreciate the subtle meaning. jk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KnQDXpQq9U

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Since you want honesty from your candidates...let's take a look at McCain lies in his campaign commercials.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

Here is an ethical question for you, Guido.

Which is worse, borrowing words from another politician without giving him credit or producing campaign commercials lying about your opponent?

We can go round and round on the "lies" told by the presidential candidates thus far. I guess to answer your question, lying about your opponent in campaign advertisements is wrong. So also, however, is lying about your academic achievements--in particular your class rank in law school and college degrees earned which is exactly what Biden did. Incidentally, Obama is not exactly been a fountain of truth. I am still waiting for his filibuster on telecom immunity and his taking public financing.  

Remember RM how you made a big deal over McCain's low class rank at the Naval Academy, in an effort to make him out to be an ignorant dolt. You are surprisingly (/sarc) silent on Biden and his low class rank.

I agree with you Guido, I think its very admirable that McCain would so readily admit that he graduated in the bottom 5 in a class of 899.  Having 894 people graduate ahead of you would be something most politicians would want to hide.

None of the candidates is without some flaws.  Each has plenty of "mud" to sling at the other candidate.  The real issue that voters should focus on is whether they want a repetition of the past 8 years, or if they are ready for something new.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Since you want honesty from your candidates...let's take a look at McCain lies in his campaign commercials.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

Here is an ethical question for you, Guido.

Which is worse, borrowing words from another politician without giving him credit or producing campaign commercials lying about your opponent?

We can go round and round on the "lies" told by the presidential candidates thus far. I guess to answer your question, lying about your opponent in campaign advertisements is wrong. So also, however, is lying about your academic achievements--in particular your class rank in law school and college degrees earned which is exactly what Biden did. Incidentally, Obama is not exactly been a fountain of truth. I am still waiting for his filibuster on telecom immunity and his taking public financing.  

Remember RM how you made a big deal over McCain's low class rank at the Naval Academy, in an effort to make him out to be an ignorant dolt. You are surprisingly (/sarc) silent on Biden and his low class rank.

I agree with you Guido, I think its very admirable that McCain would so readily admit that he graduated in the bottom 5 in a class of 899.  Having 894 people graduate ahead of you would be something most politicians would want to hide.

None of the candidates is without some flaws.  Each has plenty of "mud" to sling at the other candidate.  The real issue that voters should focus on is whether they want a repetition of the past 8 years, or if they are ready for something new.

However Biden was not so quick to do the same. He did not hide his low class rank, he instead lied about it. Did you read my post in response to yours?

As for the "real issue" being that people wanting "something new", by "new" I suppose you are excluding the fact that Biden has been in D.C. longer than any remaining executive branch office seeker.