Message to McCain--if you are going to flip-flop..

[pmcalk]

...make sure that your spokesperson has the latest version of your position.

Trying to capitalize on some ongoing anger among Hillary supporters, McCain launched a new ad this week featuring a former Hillary supporter who is supposedly going to vote for McCain.  In a press conference, the woman from the ad was asked if she was supportive of McCain despite his position on the right to choose.  She responded that McCain had said that overruling Roe v. Wade would make no sense because it would force women to have illegal abortions.

She was right.  McCain did say that in 1999.

But of course that is not his message today.  In fact, just the opposite.  

So the question is, does she support John McCain because she doesn't really believe he has changed his position?

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/from_the_rnc_podium_mccain_doe.html

[Hometown]

The problem with McCain is that he talks the talk but he doesn't walk the walk.  This so called Maverick always ends up toting the party line.

He's not the maverick he claims to be.  The Republican Party owns him.

All Democrats can see through this.

No way, no how, no McCain.

Vote for real change.  Vote for Obama.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

The problem with McCain is that he talks the talk but he doesn't walk the walk.  This so called Maverick always ends up toting the party line.

He's not the maverick he claims to be.  The Republican Party owns him.

All Democrats can see through this.

No way, no how, no McCain.

Vote for real change.  Vote for Obama.

I don't have a clue why GOP candidates still get baited into the abortion issue.  They need to tell that faction of the party to GGF.

So says the Hillary supporter who didn't believe in Obama till recently.

We need real change, not chump change.

[RecycleMichael]

Accept what you cannot change, especially in large denominations.

[Hometown]

Chump change is what Republicans hand out on election day.  Check out Chapter 666 in your Republican Play Book.

Now, I'm a lifelong Democrat.  Obama is my party's candidate.  He won fair and square.  I'm a proud Obama supporter and I always vote.

Conan, remember how I told you I didn't want to get too chummy because the day was going to come when I was going to have to deliver a spanking?  Guess what time is rapidly approaching.

[FOTD]

The devil wants to hold him down for you homey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTWXew33L7g&eurl

"McCain's no maverick....he's a sidekick."

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Chump change is what Republicans hand out on election day.  Check out Chapter 666 in your Republican Play Book.

Now, I'm a lifelong Democrat.  Obama is my party's candidate.  He won fair and square.  I'm a proud Obama supporter and I always vote.

Conan, remember how I told you I didn't want to get too chummy because the day was going to come when I was going to have to deliver a spanking?  Guess what time is rapidly approaching.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.  I might enjoy a good spanking every now and then.

Am I hallucinating, or was there a time you said you might not vote this November if Obama were the candidate?  Didn't you say you put more money into Hillary's campaign after she was statistically out of the race?  Haven't you made disparaging remark after disparaging remark about Obama?  I can dig deeper than just this remark.  At least I've been honest all along in expressing my lack of enthusiasm for McCain and not been a chameleon like all the former Hillary supporters who were so adamant what a train wreck Obama would be.

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I have to admit things don't look so good for Clinton. I would say that at this point her best hope is for an Obama meltdown.

As a lifelong Democrat who has voted for every one of our nominees I have to say that I wish there was some place else I could go. The Republican Party does not offer a viable alternative.

I feel like my party is about to nominate another candidate that is too liberal to win in the general election.

If Clinton loses the primary the Clintons' grip on the party (since 92) will be done with. The party will belong to Obama and his Chicago friends and they will have to redefine the party.

If Obama wins the primary and loses in the general election a tremendous power vacuum will ensue and the party will have to reinvent itself from the bottom up.

I have had trouble with the left wing of our party for some time now and if there was a Centrist Party I would leave the Democrats and move to the Centrists. I suppose the best scenario for Democrats like me is that if Obama loses, the left wing of our party will be so thoroughly diminished that they will be marginalized for the foreseeable future.

There might be some justice in a Republican win and the Republicans getting to clean up their own mess, or not clean it up and assigned blame for their own sins.

Yesterday I heard Obama spin doctors saying that the White working class vote and the Latin vote (both of which have gone for Clinton) don't matter.

The day that my party adopts this view is the day I say goodbye to my lifelong association with the Democrats.

Obama supporters -- you are going to need a miracle with your coalition of Blacks, rich liberals, young folks, Independents and cross-over Republicans. It may have given you a slim lead in the Democrat primary but you don't have a prayer in h*** when it comes to the general election.

I would say last night was probably the real beginning of Obama's slow motion train wreck.

I am ashamed of the women that have not supported Ms. Clinton. But despite their lack of support, Ms. Clinton has earned a place in history. No woman has gone this far and she has made me proud to say I am her supporter.

Hometown 5/7/08

[Hometown]

Yes I supported Clinton.  Then Obama won.  Now I support Obama.  Isn't that how it's supposed to work with party loyalists?  I do recall saying way back when, not to be surprised if I end up arguing for Obama.

Now I'm arguing for Obama and looking for Coach Whopem's paddle.  I love Obama.  He's my man.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

The problem with McCain is that he talks the talk but he doesn't walk the walk.  This so called Maverick always ends up toting the party line.

He's not the maverick he claims to be.  The Republican Party owns him.

All Democrats can see through this.

No way, no how, no McCain.

Vote for real change.  Vote for Obama.

Good for you, Hometown!  I am glad you have come around.

Didn't Hillary do wonderfully last night?  I also thought that Michelle did great.  It's wonderful to have so many strong women leaders in our party.

[Hometown]

Yes, I especially like the Lady Senator from Louisiana.  Our diversity is our strength.

[Conan71]

You two totally miss the point that party-line voters are exactly how we wound up with Bush II.  Were it not for GOP loyalists, he may never have served as President in the first place.  

How does it make any more logic to be another Democrat sheeple than it does to be a GOP one?  Especially if you had such deep-seated issues with Obama.

Vote the candidate, not the party.  That's how I vote with a clear conscience every time.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

You two totally miss the point that party-line voters are exactly how we wound up with Bush II.  Were it not for GOP loyalists, he may never have served as President in the first place.  

How does it make any more logic to be another Democrat sheeple than it does to be a GOP one?  Especially if you had such deep-seated issues with Obama.

Vote the candidate, not the party.  That's how I vote with a clear conscience every time.

I am voting the candidate.  Barack's a better one.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

You two totally miss the point that party-line voters are exactly how we wound up with Bush II.  Were it not for GOP loyalists, he may never have served as President in the first place.  

How does it make any more logic to be another Democrat sheeple than it does to be a GOP one?  Especially if you had such deep-seated issues with Obama.

Vote the candidate, not the party.  That's how I vote with a clear conscience every time.

I am voting the candidate.  Barack's a better one.

Ever vote for a Republican, PM?

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

You two totally miss the point that party-line voters are exactly how we wound up with Bush II.  Were it not for GOP loyalists, he may never have served as President in the first place.  

How does it make any more logic to be another Democrat sheeple than it does to be a GOP one?  Especially if you had such deep-seated issues with Obama.

Vote the candidate, not the party.  That's how I vote with a clear conscience every time.

I am voting the candidate.  Barack's a better one.

Ever vote for a Republican, PM?

Yes, though mainly at the local level.  I tend to vote issues more than anything, and at the national level there are several issues, like the right to choose, that I believe are critical.  In Oklahoma at least, there just aren't any republicans who agree with me on the issues.

[Conan71]

You'd actually be surprised not all local GOP's are ORU or Rhema grads. []  Many I personally know are more socially liberal (okay, so I don't run in Bible-thumping crowds) but fiscal conservatives.

The only reason politicians are still batting around Roe V. Wade is to pander to the evangelical and women voters.  It's a dead issue.  It's made it, thus far, 35 years and through 23 years of GOP admins and SCOTUS choices w/o being overturned.

McCain, nor any of his potential SCOTUS nominees will wind up over-turning this.  It's here to stay.