It's McCain Palin

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  How profound.  No substance, no cognitive thought.  You're a perfect Obama supporter.  Keep up the good work!

When you're ready to act like a big boy we'll all be here waiting for you to contribute something of merit.




cricket....cricket.....cricket....

You keep proving me right!  Keep on keepin' on!

Anytime you're ready to say something substantive I'll be here.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  How profound.  No substance, no cognitive thought.  You're a perfect Obama supporter.  Keep up the good work!

When you're ready to act like a big boy we'll all be here waiting for you to contribute something of merit.




cricket....cricket.....cricket....

You keep proving me right!  Keep on keepin' on!

Anytime you're ready to say something substantive I'll be here.

Don't have anything to add where you're concerned, Skippy.  You already have it all figgered out!  [:O]

[Gaspar]

This thread has gone way out of hand.  I love the attempt to play down McCain's choice among the libs, yet when you look at the rage and rampage on this single thread you can almost smell the emotion.

Take her for what she is, and he for what he is, and the balance sheet becomes heavy as lead.  

It comes down to the same visceral reflexes that decide every election between liberal and conservative.

Ideals v.s. Ideas  

When you are alone with your thoughts (have you any) let your mind, not your emotions decide the ballet.

[iplaw]

From what I've seen so far you don't have anything to add period.  I'll try monosyllabic words for you next time.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

This thread has gone way out of hand.  I love the attempt to play down McCain's choice among the libs, yet when you look at the rage and rampage on this single thread you can almost smell the emotion.

Take her for what she is, and he for what he is, and the balance sheet becomes heavy as lead.  

It comes down to the same visceral reflexes that decide every election between liberal and conservative.

Ideals v.s. Ideas  

When you are alone with your thoughts (have you any) let your mind, not your emotions decide the ballet.

As I have said from the beginning, this will be a 50/50 split just like the last election.  A couple of states will again decide our president.

I just saw that a Zogby poll taken earlier today has the race tied up again.

[waterboy]

This election is more fun than any I've been aware of in my lifetime. Scary, but fun. Bottom line is we've prospered with really bad presidents and done badly with really good presidents. We'll survive.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw


As I have said from the beginning, this will be a 50/50 split just like the last election.  A couple of states will again decide our president.

I just saw that a Zogby poll taken earlier today has the race tied up again.

I agree that the election will be close.

However, I would take any Zogby poll with a truckload of salt. I used to be a fan of his, but his poll missed the 2004 election badly and he misfired badly on a bunch of primary states this year. It's been acknowledged that his track record leaves much to be desired.

I think you need to take the aggregate of the major polls to get a clearer picture. With that, all of them show Obama with a single-digit lead.

[iplaw]

I can't believe we're headed for another razor thin election.  Should make for interesting TV at least.

[CoffeeBean]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Reread my post genius.  Some idiot posted a picture about his "frankenstein" handshake.  The reason he looks awkward while shaking hands with people is because he's had his arm broken numerous times.

If you're going to participate, at least pay attention.

You referenced McCain's POW status, a status he relies upon as evidence of his foregin policy experience.  

I was simply moving the discussion forward a few steps to ask whether that is a fair assertion.  

Agree or disagree, but for someone who harps on lack of substance, you certainly didn't add anything to the discussion.  

As you can see from my post, I don't think one has anything to do with the other, but I am open to hearing your argument (assuming you have one) . . .

[CoffeeBean]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean

How does two years as Alaska's executive give Palin more experience to run the country?  By that logic, Brad Henry is a better choice than Palin.  

And you would be correct.  Henry has more relevant executive than Palin who has more experience than Obama, I don't think this is that complicated.  Be that as it may, I think McCain is actually running for president this year.

Complicated or not, you failed to answer the question:  How does two years as Alaska's executive give Palin more experience to run the county?  

If your position is simply that her experience with one is transferable to the other, are you claiming that all executive positions are the same?  That Alaska faces the same type of issues as the United States?  

I am not suggesting that you are incorrect, I am asking for your rationale.    

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Did Alaska give Palin experience handling a budget as complicated as United States'?    

Probably as much as a community organizer has.  He's a senator with 143 days of experience.  Do you have any proof to back up his proficiency with the US budget?

For god's sake.  He doesn't even know how many states are in the US.  He'd be budgeting for 57 states...

Obama is part of the Legislature that created the U.S. budget.  I think its reasonable to infer that he was more proficient with it than Palin.  

I assume that your reference to 57 states was hyperbole or misinformation because I have not seen that quote.  But again, you did not answer my question: Did Alaska give Palin experience handling a budget as complicated as [the] United States'?      

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean
Did Alaska adequately inform Palin about issues of federalism?  Does she understand the concept?  [fair question - one month ago she couldn't explain the job of the Vice President -not even the tie-breaking function in the Senate].

The question is do you?  What exactly is she misinterpreting about federalism?

Lastly, could you provide us with three concrete examples of accomplishments that prove that Obama has experience deserving of the position he's running for?

Federalism is the concept embeded within the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution (Art. VI, Clause 2).  The supremacy clause elevates federal law above the law of individual states, such as Alaska.  

If Palin claims that her state-based executive experience is similar to the experience necessary to lead the county, then I question whether she fully comprehends the scope of her prospective position.  

As for three examples that qualify Obama (in relation to McCain):

1)  He displayed superior judgment in voting against the war in Iraq.  

2)  Obama has demonstrated a temperment and demeanor throughout his career, and especially during the primary season, that suggest he is better suited to handle conflict resolution and negotiations with other world leaders.

3)  Obama has legal training and education that facilitate an understanding of the complex issues presented by our federal government.

But again - you failed to answer my question:  What demonstrated knowledge does Palin have about federalism or the Vice Presidency?

[FOTD]

Your ability to read the future is baseless IPLAW. Makes you look idiotic. Where you been btw, mean person? Institutionalized? How'd you get out?

Anyway, nothing will be razor thin to win. It will be a big victory for Barack and America overriding the typical bitter white persons clinging to guns and religion in favor of an intelligent new cross section of voters who have determined they won't get fooled again.

38 million watched as Obama gave direction to a different approach in dealing with your politics of negativity and destruction. Funny how his speech was aimed at you but you missed the word "enough" and then show up again here with that attitude. Let's talk past your audience about what path these candidates will go down and who can make the best decisions based on their track records. It looks to me like your hero has had many weird moments in his past.  Do angry and mean hang together? Is that why you are attracted to the point where you "guess" the race will be close?

[FOTD]

http://www.alaskaag.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=34

And you thought Jeremiah was scary....BOO! Ha Ha Ha

"If there are two or three people who are perhaps crying or laughing uncontrollably, the ushers will gently lead them into the prayer room where they can continue to enjoy the presence of Jesus without affecting those around them."

Do you want these weirdoes making judgment calls? Really? The devil despises that notion.

Ask her about giving birth to her grandchild. Let the fun begin!

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

This election is more fun than any I've been aware of in my lifetime. Scary, but fun. Bottom line is we've prospered with really bad presidents and done badly with really good presidents. We'll survive.

Agree completely!

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean



As for three examples that qualify Obama (in relation to McCain):

1)  He displayed superior judgment in voting against the war in Iraq.  

The vote on the Iraq war took place two years before he was even in the Senate.  His words are "I never voted to go to war in Iraq."  That's because he was not there to vote.  I love how he has convinced people he took a stance against the war simply by omission of the fact that HE WAS NOT THERE YET.  He does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out.

quote:

2)  Obama has demonstrated a temperment and demeanor throughout his career, and especially during the primary season, that suggest he is better suited to handle conflict resolution and negotiations with other world leaders.

He placates and panders, causing him to have to reverse his stance, and again he does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out.  He's already pissed off Israel, pissed off Pakistan.  Changed his stance on both.  He gets himself in trouble when he shoots from the hip.  He needs to stick to his scripts.

quote:
3)  Obama has legal training and education that facilitate an understanding of the complex issues presented by our federal government.

Legal training is of little use for anyone in federal government, in fact it is more of a handicap.  It makes for politicians that cannot answer a question with a straight answer.  Look at Bill.  Common sense, executive experience, and, economic experience are the prerequisites.

Obama has run for office. That's about it.  He has never run anything.  He is extremely good at getting elected.  That's the sum of his experience.  That's not a good thing.  But again he dosen't have to worry about his followers figuring that out.  He's chosen a fine running mate, but just another career politician that has been very good at getting elected (and not very good with a checkbook I might add).

quote:But again - you failed to answer my question:  What demonstrated knowledge does Palin have about federalism or the Vice Presidency?

I'm not sure you know what you mean by federalism, perhaps you mean "federal government."  Whatever.


Mrs. Palin:

She ran a successful business.  

She ran a successful city.  

She ran a successful (mostly democrat I might add) state, becoming the highest rated governor in the country by both democrats and republicans.  

She ousted 3 major political figures (both republican and democrat) for corruption.  

Because her state was producing heavy amounts of oil during our recent slump, and the state garnered a huge tax profit, she sent Alaska residents the money back in the form of $100 a month utility debit cards, and a check for $1,200 for each and every Alaskan.

In her short political career she has had more real "EXECUTIVE" experience than both of the lawyers (Obama & Biden).  

Don't get me wrong, Obama and Biden are very nice guys, and masters of the art of election, but neither one has any executive or economic experience.

Palin simply balances out the ticket for McCain.  She plays to his weaknesses and he to hers.  She has nothing to offer democrats except her integrity, and over the next few weeks as the democrats take shots at that they will unravel their own fuse, and that is where the strategy lies.

You can see a microcosm of what is to come on this single thread.  Please keep it up.

[RecycleMichael]

The Anchorage daily newspaper has compiled all their articles on Palin into one link.

http://www.adn.com/palin/

There is lots of interesting information on her.