It's McCain Palin

[FOTD]

Lucifer here doesn't want to speculate any more on the highly complicated rumor that Palin was "bearding" for her allegedly pregnant daughter (although there is no proof of this except that the daughter was missing from school for several months, allegedly with mono), who some contest actually carried the child to birth. (Women generally get bigger during pregnancy after multiple births and after their 30s, but we saw alleged photos of Sarah Palin in her six month with nary a baby bump.) Why did she fly from Texas to Alaska after her water broke? Bizzare. There's something wrong with this woman.



The devil thinketh Palin is baked Alaska.

[rwarn17588]

Back to topic ...

I've kept fairly quiet on this mostly because, like everyone else, I didn't know jack about Sarah Palin and wanted to see what information shakes out in the days after the veep announcement.

I think there's now a creeping sense that Palin, for all of her good qualities, is a blunder by McCain. Even conservative commentators -- like Krauthammer, David Frum, Ponnuru at the National Review and Andrew Sullivan -- are questioning it. And there's a multitude of sound reasons why:

-- Palin is in the midst of an ongoing ethics investigation regarding the firing of a state trooper. Based on the reports I've seen from a bunch of media outlets -- including in Alaska -- it's not looking good for her. The results of that probe are coming out in late October. Ouch. (The probe schedule was set before her veep announcement, BTW).

-- I saw a Rasmussen poll that indicates that women are less receptive to Palin than men, which undercuts some of the reasons on why she was chosen. And the poll says many more independent voters are unimpressed than impressed. This matches with the reactions I've seen from acquaintances. For a race that's dependent on independent voters for victory, this is not a good development.

-- McCain's chief spokesman Charlie Black essentially admitted that Palin knows almost nothing about foreign issues and says she'll be getting on-the-job training from "the feet of the master." This does not bode well for McCain's judgment in picking a novice, especially when he's 72 years old and she may have to step in at a moment's notice. It's clear now that Obama gave his veep choice more thought than McCain did.

-- Palin presided over major tax hikes in her state, which sort of kills the tax-cutting mantra of the GOP.

-- The dubious argument that Palin has more experience than Obama dissipates when you see that she has no stance a huge number of national and foreign issues. Obama has specific stances all over the place on his Web site, and has discussed and thought over all of the big issues of the day because of his time in the Illinois Senate, U.S. Senate and being on the grueling, 20-month campaign trail. He's got a book out that discusses many of the same things. Considering how the media and opponents have been turning over every conceivable rock looking for data or dirt on him, it's safe to say he's been thoroughly vetted.

And that's just a few of the things that have surfaced. Lord knows what will be dug up after the holiday.

I like McCain a lot. I couldn't have been more pleased that the GOP chose him to be its presidential candidate. He was by far the best guy out there in that party. I felt the same way about Democrats picking Obama. I think both sides chose wisely, and I looked forward to a smart, vigorous debate on the future of the country.

That said, I've been disappointed with McCain since the campaign started in earnest. Those Britney-Paris Hilton ads were intelligence-insulting. And now McCain, telling everyone how crucial it will be to have strong leadership against the world's perils, goes out and impulsively picks a running mate who obviously hasn't been thoroughly vetted and hasn't shown herself to have given much thought about big-picture issues.

Maybe Palin will turn out to be a dynamite running mate over time. Maybe she'll turn out to be a quick study and re-energize McCain's campaign. But based on what I've seen from the McCain crew so far, I'm not optimistic. And given my fondness for McCain, I say that with no gladness in my heart.

[FOTD]

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Secret's out: Palin pregnant
SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.
By WESLEY LOY
JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Gov. Sarah Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.
Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.
That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.
Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.
"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."
But people just couldn't believe the news.
"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.
"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."
Having a baby as governor has happened elsewhere, but it's rare. The former acting governor of Massachusetts, Jane Swift, in 2001 was the first governor in office to give birth when she delivered twin girls.
Palin beamed as lawmakers, Cabinet members and others came by to congratulate her at the Baranof reception, a legislative event Kodiak officials sponsor annually.
Her husband, Todd, was there holding the couple's sleepy 6-year-old daughter Piper in his arms.
Palin said she's not aiming to take any time off from her job as governor, assuming all goes well with the pregnancy. She said when she had Piper -- Palin was mayor of Wasilla at the time -- the baby was born on a Monday and she returned to the office on Tuesday.
"I've always been a believer that God's not going to give us anything that we cannot handle," Palin said.
Todd Palin, a BP oil field worker currently on leave from his job, said he's thrilled to be headed toward five-time fatherhood.
"I'm really excited," he said. "Every child you get from God. The more the merrier."
Aside from Piper, the Palins have three other children: Track, 18, serving in the U.S. Army at Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks; Bristol, 17, a high school junior; and Willow, 13.
Palin, a Republican, was elected as Alaska's first female governor in 2006 and took office in December of that year.
She's kept a hectic schedule in recent days, traveling last week to the National Governors Association conference in Washington, D.C., followed by a trip to Los Angeles on Monday for a Newsweek magazine conference also featuring Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. The magazine profiled the two in its Oct. 15 "Women & Power" issue.
With Palin riding extraordinarily high popularity ratings, pundits have mentioned her as a potential vice presidential candidate. But she said Wednesday night she's "not pursuing or perpetuating it," adding, "I have no desire to leave my job at all as governor."
Palin said she decided to reveal the pregnancy after she felt the signs were giving her away, like doing less running this winter and being "ravenously hungry."
She's known as a fashion plate, but said she hasn't been dressing differently to cover her barely perceptible bulge.
Palin noted another Alaska governor welcomed a new baby to his family while in office -- Mike Stepovich, who served as territorial governor in the late 1950s.
Having kids and serving as governor are entirely compatible, she said.
"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said.
Then the expectant governor turned to greet more well-wishers.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

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Secret's out: Palin pregnant
SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.
By WESLEY LOY
JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

This is a scandal? That she didn't blab about her pregnancy?

This is a waste of bandwidth, FOTD.

[FOTD]

She bearded her 18 year old's child. Her 5th child probably belongs to her daughter. Get it?

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

She bearded her 18 year old's child. Her 4th child probably belongs to her daughter. Get it?

Absolutely no proof, dude.

Save it for scandals that are real.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw
As I have said from the beginning, this will be a 50/50 split just like the last election.  A couple of states will again decide our president.

I don't disagree. At this point only two states look like they have switched for sure...Iowa and New Mexico both went to Bush but now have multiple polls where Obama is ahead.

All Obama needs is one more...Nevada and Colorado seem to be the next...Bush won both four years ago and Obama is barely ahead in each and Virginia where every poll has it tied.

McCain sweeps all three and he wins. You would think he would do better in the western states of Nevada and Colorado because he is from Arizona and his VP is from a western state Alaska.

It will probably all come down to Virginia.

[highroadtaker]

In my opinion, there is some very strong circumstantial evidence that the 5th child is really her daughter's, but no absolute proof.

So, does it make a difference?  Should we care? I'm not sure. We all know teenagers who've had babies and we know that families are the most complicated organizations, more complicated and sometimes more dysfunctional than the government! We don't wanna judge someone else's family cuz we're afraid people will start judging us.

 However, I do know that there are plenty of other reasons why this is a really lousy choice for McCain.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by highroadtaker

In my opinion, there is some very strong circumstantial evidence that the 5th child is really her daughter's, but no absolute proof.

So, does it make a difference?  Should we care? I'm not sure. We all know teenagers who've had babies and we know that families are the most complicated organizations, more complicated and sometimes more dysfunctional than the government! We don't wanna judge someone else's family cuz we're afraid people will start judging us.

 However, I do know that there are plenty of other reasons why this is a really lousy choice for McCain.

Amazing how our citizens go along with our lying leaders and the lies these fools get away with.......

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

She bearded her 18 year old's child. Her 4th child probably belongs to her daughter. Get it?

Absolutely no proof, dude.

Save it for scandals that are real.

We will see....they were making Palin out to be heroic for carrying a child through downes syndrome..... a bunch of weirdo extremists.

[guido911]

Here's a "sorta legitimate" Palin-Obama experience comparison:

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

Hardly dispositive, but informative and entertaining nevertheless.

[CoffeeBean]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

The vote on the Iraq war took place two years before he was even in the Senate.  His words are "I never voted to go to war in Iraq."  That's because he was not there to vote.  I love how he has convinced people he took a stance against the war simply by omission of the fact that HE WAS NOT THERE YET.  He does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out.

Obama publically voiced his opposition towards invading Iraq on October 2, 2002.  You can play semantics all you like, but the fact remains - when it comes to Iraq, the "inexperienced" Obama demonstrated far greater judgment than military McCain, period.  

I am not sure what more I need to "figure out."  Do explain . . .  

quote:He placates and panders, causing him to have to reverse his stance, and again he does not have to worry about his supporters ever figuring this out.  He's already pissed off Israel, pissed off Pakistan.  Changed his stance on both.  He gets himself in trouble when he shoots from the hip.  He needs to stick to his scripts.

Is placation bad?  Last I checked, the ability to placate is crucial when handling complex and difficult negotiations.  I suppose you might dislike this quality if you live with a black and white, us v. them mentality.  The key is not that you placate, but what you give up, e.g. I would give a little to get a lot. Apparently this distinction does not exist in your world.

And you say that he panders, do you have an example more egregious than Palin?

quote:Legal training is of little use for anyone in federal government, in fact it is more of a handicap.  It makes for politicians that cannot answer a question with a straight answer.  Look at Bill.  Common sense, executive experience, and, economic experience are the prerequisites.

Obama has run for office. That's about it.  He has never run anything.  He is extremely good at getting elected.  That's the sum of his experience.  That's not a good thing.  But again he dosen't have to worry about his followers figuring that out.  He's chosen a fine running mate, but just another career politician that has been very good at getting elected (and not very good with a checkbook I might add).

Legal education was of little use when John Yoo drafted a memo defining torture?  Seriously?  Rendition has no legal underpinning?  Enemy combatants, and the flurry of Supreme Court opinions regarding detentions at Gitmo?  You make my point.  

We have a president with no legal education, so when the DOJ says, "Hey, we can hold people at Gitmo forever and never charge them," Bush did not have a personal jurisprudence upon which to draw.  Maybe Bush would make the same decisions either way, but you cannot honestly make the argument that a legal education is of no value whatsoever.  

Lawyers comprise 25 of the 42 men who served as President.  Explain it all you like, but you cannot ignore the numbers.  

quote:I'm not sure you know what you mean by federalism, perhaps you mean "federal government."  Whatever.

No, I meant "federalism," because I am curious if Palin understands the concept; whether she understands that governing on a federal level is not like governing Alaska.  Propping up her state-based experience does nothing to assuage my concern.  

quote:She ran a successful business.

And she successfully birthed 5 children (allegedly) . . . what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  Also, do you understand the difference between coincidence and causation?        

quote:She ran a successful city.

See above re:  C&C.  Also, is this the same city that started a divisive recall Petition over her patronage dismissals of the librarian and police chief?  That city?    

quote:She ran a successful (mostly democrat I might add) state, becoming the highest rated governor in the country by both democrats and republicans.

Is two years enough time to make that claim?  What was Bush's approval rating in Jan. 2003? [hint:  63%, compared to 34% five years later].  

Shouldn't we wait until the ethics investigation is complete?  Or is that just partisan politics?          

quote:Because her state was producing heavy amounts of oil during our recent slump, and the state garnered a huge tax profit, she sent Alaska residents the money back in the form of $100 a month utility debit cards, and a check for $1,200 for each and every Alaskan.

Not exactly.  She backed off the debit cards and the rebate is simply a proposal as of June, 2008. See here.    

quote:In her short political career she has had more real "EXECUTIVE" experience than both of the lawyers (Obama & Biden).

Again, please explain how this makes her qualified to lead the United States?  Bush was the executive for Texas and he still botched Iraq. Just explain your rationale.  That's all I ask.      

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

She bearded her 18 year old's child. Her 4th child probably belongs to her daughter. Get it?

Absolutely no proof, dude.

Save it for scandals that are real.

Remember, FOTD is not talking about what might be a scurrilous rumor. This devil is talking about why Sarah Palin and her husband chose to put their fifth child at risk by not delivering in Texas, delivering a speech, and taking an 8-hour flight home after her bag of water broke. This is not rumor. This is fact.

[Rico]

Well now I am really confused..........

The hot one helps I guess.?

Think I would have to see a little more to know for sure...

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[CoffeeBean]

Palin has the makings of a disaster.  Is she McCain's Harriet Myers?

News story on Palin's inconsistancies from Trooper-Gate, here