VP candidate Palin...Grandmother?

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I guess that this thread is proof of my biggest campaign nightmare.

That nightmare is that abortion is the only issue that matters and people will close their mind to everything else. No matter how much I agree or disagree with the candidate onfifteen issues, the one that gets my vote is the one that probably affects the fewest number of people.

The war, the economy, safety, environmentalism, education, health care, and another bunch of things affect me every day. Abortion doesn't. My wife and I never considered it. Never in my life have I ever been having to decide that question. Maybe I am just different.

But single issue politics is the worst kind of politics. There are so many things to consider in choosing a candidate.

This is my fear. John McCain picked her just to frame this one single issue. He kept hinting that he was considering a pro-choice running mate just to have every pro-life person get involved in telling him not to.

It was all an election ploy. It doesn't matter if Sarah Palin is qualified or not. She is the perfect person to argue the one thing that will split our country and give him a chance to win.

I so hoped we were beyond this.

Bingo.

It's so true, but very, very unfortunate for all Americans.

All the more reason for people in states like Oklahoma to get out and vote for the candidates who stand up for the real issues.

[FOTD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

Obama - I don't want my daughters "punished with a baby"


McBush totally destroyed his slim chances of winning 200 electoral votes. Obamas' landslide is going to be bigger than the devil determined early on or ever imagined!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

Oh, and Todd Palin was arrested for DUI in '86.

The smartest thing the Obama camp can do now is just sit back and watch the train wreck- no comments needed.

Anymore red herrings or canards you want to drag out.

OOOOhhhh...Obama did DRUGS in college!  Take that.[xx(]  

What the hell does this garbage have anything to do with anything, short of prove that you read the dailykos?

I personally am not "dragging" anything out, but trust me it all will be.

What it has to do with is exposing the hypocrisy of the so called morally superior  that have hijacked our country for the past 8 years. We don't need any more of this.

What we need are people that will focus on the real issues to get the country back on track, instead of relying on fear tactics and some sort of false sense of moral superiority.

It has become very apparent that the GOP is only interested in pandering to the evangelical crowd- the rest of America be damned (literally).

Then don't ***** when your candidate and his wife get the sh$t hammer for the next two months.  Turn about is fair play.

Hijacked the country?  Please, you need to get a life.  As I recall, our officials are elected.  Go out and get some fresh air, it might do you some good.

Angry much?

I've never said that either side should not expect everything to be brought into the open. Its fair play for both sides. Let me just say though, when you run on a 'moral' platform you better be ready to get called out if you are anything less than.

And the breath of fresh air......that will be coming 'round November.

Wait until the GOP educates everyone just a little bit more about Reverand Wright, Black Liberation Theology, and Obama bin Obama's 20 year church membership.

MAYBE a little more important than a 20 year old DUI by the First Dude.

You're gonna love their October Surprise:

The video of Obama vigorously applauding another racist rant by his philosophical MENTOR Reverand Wright.

Wait for it......

[:O]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff.

80% of Downs babies are aborted.  The massacre would be bipartisan.

I'll assume your figure is correct. If so it is bipartisan in nature. That's a reality lost on wingers (both sides) who are wrapped up in their own visions of morality. Massacre is the wrong word. Each one is an individual decision.

I neither admire her or loathe her for her decision. It was HER decision and no government could force her to into it. She and McCain on the other hand feel that a government should be able to force such decisions based on religious morality.

Now that's an issue that separates the candidates and is worthy of discussion.

Barry is so anti-life he is willing to let babies die on the table rather than compromise.  Discuss? What is to discuss?

You must be talking about Barry Dinsmore, who is serving time for murder. Don't know anything else about him.

If you want to discuss the issue of a woman's right to decide if she wants to carry a rapists child to full term because her government says she has to, well that would be an interesting thread. The same government would have the same power to tell her to abort it or punish her for not terminating it (like China) if the winds of politics changed. Keeping that right with each individual seems preferable.

Thats called discussion.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

Originally posted by iplaw

Wait until the GOP educates everyone just a little bit more about Reverand Wright, Black Liberation Theology, and Obama bin Obama's 20 year church membership.

MAYBE a little more important than a 20 year old DUI by the First Dude.

You're gonna love their October Surprise:

The video of Obama vigorously applauding another racist rant by his philosophical MENTOR Reverand Wright.

Wait for it......

[:O]

Yeah, we've so enjoyed their education curriculum for the last decade. Go to the well too often and soon there's no water.

Oh, you must be ecstatic knowing that of course the donkey**pe republican educators will be matched by the donkey**pe democratic educators and we can all sit back horrified and watch the country disintegrate.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.

As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice.  The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people.  Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).

I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice.  It's her body, she has to live with the decision.  I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

Thats a pretty good spin, but the real issue is that Palin supports 'abstinence only' sex ed, is a devout evangelical, and her own 17 year old unwed daughter gets knocked up.

I don't think anyone cares the daughter decided to keep it. In fact, do you really think she had any choice in the matter? Same goes for their announcement that they will eventually get married. Lol! Like they would be allowed to NOT be married, or get an abortion, or do anything else that would be considered 'unchristian'?

You really can't be that naive!

Of course she had a choice.  Abortion is legal. Would you have felt better if Palin would have taken her daughter for a secret abortion because she couldn't handle the inconvience of a unplanned pregnancy?  

You actually think there are still shotgun weddings? (Well maybe in the Appalachian mountains.) Maybe these two love each other and plan to try and make it work.  Maybe their marriage will work or maybe it won't but at least they are going to try and raise this child with the benifits of a healthy marriage.

I think it is funny that you immediatley discount a couple wanting form a union to raise an unborn child and to also be "christian".

I feel sorry for you.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

Not the right thread but what the hell. Start one so you guys can get it out of your system.
I'm sorry I brought it up but its better than the crap that's been passing for issues around here.

I read somewhere that the real difference between the parties is that Republicans see the world like GW: Good guys/bad guys, right/wrong, rich/poor. It makes life simple for them and their solutions reflect that. Democrats do not see the world as so clear cut. Their solutions are more pragmatic.

Are you prepared to see your loved one carry the child of a rapist who had defective mental genes? When you knew at 8 weeks? Are you one who would let your wife die rather than terminate a fetus that threatens her life and you knew in first trimester? "Sorry honey, you've got to die for mine and the government's moral beliefs. I'll find a good mother for the child though".

Can you explain how the state's interest in those decisions outweigh the mother's right to decide?


Oh, yeah, your spin snipe. Your post did the same thing. Crazy liberals, insane liberals, baby killing for convenience, vs Palin family values and sanctity of life. What, you own a Gingrich word manual?

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.

As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice.  The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people.  Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).

I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice.  It's her body, she has to live with the decision.  I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.

Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions.  I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger.  I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.

For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.

As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice.  The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people.  Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).

I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice.  It's her body, she has to live with the decision.  I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.

Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions.  I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger.  I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.

For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.

Problem is, most forms of contraception are not 100 percent effective.  What then?  Ostracize women because 'oh well, you were in that 1 percent'?

Not saying I don't agree with you, but it's not a cut and dry issue.

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

Thats a pretty good spin, but the real issue is that Palin supports 'abstinence only' sex ed, is a devout evangelical, and her own 17 year old unwed daughter gets knocked up.

I don't think anyone cares the daughter decided to keep it. In fact, do you really think she had any choice in the matter? Same goes for their announcement that they will eventually get married. Lol! Like they would be allowed to NOT be married, or get an abortion, or do anything else that would be considered 'unchristian'?

You really can't be that naive!

Of course she had a choice.  Abortion is legal. Would you have felt better if Palin would have taken her daughter for a secret abortion because she couldn't handle the inconvience of a unplanned pregnancy?  

You actually think there are still shotgun weddings? (Well maybe in the Appalachian mountains.) Maybe these two love each other and plan to try and make it work.  Maybe their marriage will work or maybe it won't but at least they are going to try and raise this child with the benifits of a healthy marriage.

I think it is funny that you immediatley discount a couple wanting form a union to raise an unborn child and to also be "christian".

I feel sorry for you.

If you are a minor, you need parental consent to have an abortion. Do you honestly think that would happen? It would be political suicide. She really does NOT have a choice.

And having a child out of wedlock? Oh no- that's a big sin too. They gotta get hitched to make it legit. Maybe they do love each other- I hope for their sake they do. It really doesn't matter though when the stakes for mommy are so high.

I find it very humorous that you feel sorry for me- you don't even know me. Big waste of energy really.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I think what is making the liberals crazy is that the Palin family values the sanctity of life. The family not only talks the talk but also walks the walk.

They are not choosing to kill a child because it is an inconvience. They have decided to have the child and support the child, the mother and the father as a family.

It is driving the Left absolutely insane beyond the farthest reaches of the daily kos.

As a member of the left (so ordained by Tulsa) and an unabashed liberal...no we aren't. We don't kill babies, we don't eat them and we don't just allow the blonde, blue eyed ones to be borne. Thats winger stuff. If it gets you through the night though it can't be all bad.

Help me understand how having an abortion is not killing a baby.

Way to try and spin it up with the "we don't
eat them" line.  

Obviously Roe v Wade decided otherwise.

As to the morality of it, I think it's up to each individual who has to make the choice.  The goobermind shouldn't be pushing morals on its people.  Smells an awful lot like what made Brits leave England for the New World (persecution for their beliefs).

I think it's wrong in many ways, but I think it's the woman's choice.  It's her body, she has to live with the decision.  I don't see why that's such a hard fact to fathom for some people.

Now just to muddy the waters more, I never said I was against all abortions.  I can see where abortion has it's place in the cases of incest, rape and when the mother's life is in danger.  I just don't like the idea of using abortion as another form of birth control.

For women who demand complete control of their body, can we not promote control that includes preventing an unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.

Your view, though similar to mine, is anathema to the republican party platform. No abortions, period.

[RecycleMichael]

Abortions are legal.

People who oppose abortions don't believe in following the law of the land.

[MH2010]

"Your view, though similar to mine, is anathema to the republican party platform. No abortions, period."

Yeah, I know. However, the Republican party holds more of the views I believe and I'm not a one issue voter.