Is TulsaNow.org a Political Surrogate for Obama?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Typical. You can't even stay on topic when its a discussion of why you may be banned. Its all about your "enemies" or "enemies of the state". In the end though, its always about you. You don't even care if the discussion is about your transgressions, which you defend, as long as its about you.

Use your amazing skills of psychology and see what that suggests.

Enemies.  

Where have I referred to Forum participants, even Detractors, as ENEMIES?

I don't consider the misguided Detractors to be enemies.

Well, maybe there is one after me with a sub-machine gune.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Typical. You can't even stay on topic when its a discussion of why you may be banned. Its all about your "enemies" or "enemies of the state". In the end though, its always about you. You don't even care if the discussion is about your transgressions, which you defend, as long as its about you.

Use your amazing skills of psychology and see what that suggests.

Enemies.  

Where have I referred to Forum participants, even Detractors, as ENEMIES?

I don't consider the misguided Detractors to be enemies.

Well, maybe there is one after me with a sub-machine gune.

Probably more than one judging by your behavior here. I would say groups.

You're so black/white. Since you didn't use the word "enemy" no one may infer from your comments otherwise. Unless of course its a discussion about a democrat in which case we may infer at will.[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Typical. You can't even stay on topic when its a discussion of why you may be banned. Its all about your "enemies" or "enemies of the state". In the end though, its always about you. You don't even care if the discussion is about your transgressions, which you defend, as long as its about you.

Use your amazing skills of psychology and see what that suggests.

Enemies.  

Where have I referred to Forum participants, even Detractors, as ENEMIES?

I don't consider the misguided Detractors to be enemies.

Well, maybe there is one after me with a sub-machine gune.

Probably more than one judging by your behavior here. I would say groups.

You're so black/white. Since you didn't use the word "enemy" no one may infer from your comments otherwise. Unless of course its a discussion about a democrat in which case we may infer at will.[]

I've not called anyone on his Forum an Enemy.

The Democratic Party is not an Enemy.

There are some of the hard-left Socialists that have hi-jacked the Democratic Party.  Ultimately their pendulum will swing back towards the middle from its current Far Left axis.

They'll work through it after an extended stay in the Re-Education Camps.......

A la the Falun Gong in PRC....

[]

[waterboy]

Ah, well. All work is good comrade.

What happens when the republican pendulum and the democratic pendulum swing to the middle at the same time? The age of Aquarius?

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Ah, well. All work is good comrade.

What happens when the republican pendulum and the democratic pendulum swing to the middle at the same time? The age of Aquarius?

No.. The whole matter and antimatter thing; you KNOW what happens when this occurs... []

[FOTD]

FB:"The Jewish vote is strongly encouraged by the GOP ticket support for Israel. Israel is always a perennial concern for American friends of this tiny Democracy surrounded by implaccably hostile undemocratic Muslim states.

Jewish leaders well and true know that most Evangelical Christians are also very strong supporters of the State of Israel. There is very strong linkage between these two groups."

An absolute falsehood coming from an anti semite claiming to be Jewish.

FB, American Jews will come out in force for Obama. FYI.

Proof? http://www.forward.com/articles/michelle-obama-has-a-rabbi-in-her-family-02454/

New poll in Florida, Post  Palin, post convention, is tied. And thats before the women figure out they've been bamboozled, and that most of her speech was a lie. Obama may have the Jews to thank. Between this story of Michele's family and Sarah Palin's "everybody but us is going to hell" beliefs, Obama ought to carry Florida. Your people FB are very smart.  How do you keep those old farts down there from voting stupid?

Massive phone banks of young Jews calling their grandparents, reminding them of what they got when they (butterfly) voted for Bush. Satanic messengers in repigligelical eyes. ha.[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

FB:"The Jewish vote is strongly encouraged by the GOP ticket support for Israel. Israel is always a perennial concern for American friends of this tiny Democracy surrounded by implaccably hostile undemocratic Muslim states.

Jewish leaders well and true know that most Evangelical Christians are also very strong supporters of the State of Israel. There is very strong linkage between these two groups."

An absolute falsehood coming from an anti semite claiming to be Jewish.

FB, American Jews will come out in force for Obama. FYI.

Proof? http://www.forward.com/articles/michelle-obama-has-a-rabbi-in-her-family-02454/

New poll in Florida, Post  Palin, post convention, is tied. And thats before the women figure out they've been bamboozled, and that most of her speech was a lie. Obama may have the Jews to thank. Between this story of Michele's family and Sarah Palin's "everybody but us is going to hell" beliefs, Obama ought to carry Florida. Your people FB are very smart.  How do you keep those old farts down there from voting stupid?

Massive phone banks of young Jews calling their grandparents, reminding them of what they got when they (butterfly) voted for Bush. Satanic messengers in repigligelical eyes. ha.[]

Today's Washington Post seems to think otherwise, that Gov. Sarah Palin has appeal to segments of the American Jewish community.

Here's the link:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2008/09/sarah_palin_and_the_jews_101_1.html

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Only potential problem:  Staying alive.  

Fully expect USRufNex to carry through on his direct threat to use a sub-machine gun on me at any moment.

I'm updating my Last Will & Testament today.

Wonder if the Lorton's World will charge my survivors for the obligatory obituary?

It's the World's final way to screw the citizens of Tulsa.

[?]

Hmmmm.  Is that YOU?.... Drama Queen Bear?!?

[1956packard]

Ahola and Lawzee:

Hey F.B. I am a conservative Independent But
I register Republican so I can vote. I was raised traditional catholic by to very devout parents.
    I disagree with you to a point on the
Democratic party yes the Blacks, Jews & Homosexuals are a part of the Democratic Party but atleast half of the Democratic Party is
white liberals  I have three nieces two don't believe in God One is going to law school in California they were all were raised catholic
guess what they are all three  liberal Democrats
very liberal Imagine that three redheaded Irish
catholic girls being Liberal Democrats
I personally think they are wrong but that is beside the point  
     I'm curious where are all these supposed
Jewish Oklahoman's I've only met two or three  maybe four Jews in Tulsa in my entire life

                   Aloha and Lawzee

[FOTD]

Packman,

Get out of your hole sometime.

TNF Moderators,

Are you enjoying this new addition? He makes the devil look good. What's up?

Put him in purgatory or FOTD will be forced to.....

Yes, it is a political surrogate of Obama's. He put all of us up to this.....funded it too with the contributions he got from Sarah Palin's enemies!Sarah Palin's Church Is Openly Anti-Jewish Jewish Voters - Be Wary of Sarah Palin
PLEASE read this for yourself. The following is an excerpt and,   has been confirmed - so you can check.  

Included is a VIDEO of Palin in this Church. *
Just two weeks ago on August 17 -  while Sarah Palin was attending service -& nbsp; Palin's church , the Wasilla Bible Church , gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus.  She was in attendance when Brickner stated, from the pulpit of her church , that Jews deserve the terrorist attacks against them and that Anti-Jewish Terror is "God's Judgment".& nbsp;

Brickner's mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community:
•#61472;    The Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of "targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception."
•#61472;   The executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council , Ira Forman, cited the "cultural distance" between Palin and almost all American Jews . " She's totally out of step with the American Jewish community ," he said. "She is against reproductive freedom - even against abortion in the case of rape and incest. She has said that climate change is not man-made . She has said that she would favor teaching creationism in the schools .  

Background: How Brickner was introduced in Palin's Church:
    Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner , according to a transcript of the sermon on the church's website. ( http://wasillabible.org/sermons.htm), and stated: "(Brickner is) . a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism ."

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish. "The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality ," he said. Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment - you can't miss it."  

This governor is on a path, by her own testimony, that is being guided by God. When you see this clip, you will see evangelical Christianity coming ever closer to the White House. The more you learn about her, the more you realize that she reflects the path to the future of the Republican p arty - evangelical Christianity - which is becoming the core philosophy of the GOP.
Is this good for the Jews? I FEAR NOT!!!!  
What do you think?  

SOURCES-  
* VIDEO -  "We Are Expecting Great And Mighty Things" - 04 Sep 2008 03:15 pm -
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
Article about Brickner/Kroon and Palin's Church: By BEN SMITH | 9/2/08 6:53 PM EST
Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html;

[Crash Daily]

USRufnex,

Just an FYI. Both Marxism and Nazism are left leaning ideologies. Skin heads in America only relate to the Republican Party because the majority of blacks went to the left. It's been a misnomer since that time, successfully disguised by the left to make the right out to be the extremists.

Nazi's are big government Socialists that do not value innocent human life. That's Dems, not Republicans. The left sprouts Communism, Totalitarianism and dictatorships. Ask China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela or any other extremist state, which party or candidate they support. Birds of a feather my friend.

When I see that big poster that FB is putting up, calling Obama a Marxist and I look at the fact that Obama has the most extreme, left leaning voting record in the Senate, I don't see it as a cut down, but a stated fact.

Extreme left wing Democrats are Marxists. If they continually argue for all of the primary ideals of Marxism, why not wear the moniker with pride? Oh that's right..., because it means they eventually intend to successfully destroy the U.S. constitution and turn this nation Communist. I forgot there for a Second. Wouldn't want the sheeple to know the truth before it's to late now would we?

Lay off the racism FB.

I bet you are plenty able to express your point without dipping in to the gutter. Concentrate on what's under the skin. As with all Dems, beauty is only skin deep, (Or lack thereof) but ugly goes clean to the bone. Just point out the underlying facts. Democrats hate facts. They are inconvenient and really p*ss them off. [8D]

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

USRufnex,

Just an FYI. Both Marxism and Nazism are left leaning ideologies. Skin heads in America only relate to the Republican Party because the majority of blacks went to the left. It's been a misnomer since that time, successfully disguised by the left to make the right out to be the extremists.

Nazi's are big government Socialists that do not value innocent human life. That's Dems, not Republicans. The left sprouts Communism, Totalitarianism and dictatorships. Ask China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela or any other extremist state, which party or candidate they support. Birds of a feather my friend.

When I see that big poster that FB is putting up, calling Obama a Marxist and I look at the fact that Obama has the most extreme, left leaning voting record in the Senate, I don't see it as a cut down, but a stated fact.

Extreme left wing Democrats are Marxists. If they continually argue for all of the primary ideals of Marxism, why not wear the moniker with pride? Oh that's right..., because it means they eventually intend to successfully destroy the U.S. constitution and turn this nation Communist. I forgot there for a Second. Wouldn't want the sheeple to know the truth before it's to late now would we?

Lay off the racism FB.

I bet you are plenty able to express your point without dipping in to the gutter. Concentrate on what's under the skin. As with all Dems, beauty is only skin deep, (Or lack thereof) but ugly goes clean to the bone. Just point out the underlying facts. Democrats hate facts. They are inconvenient and really p*ss them off. [8D]

Listen, you condescending little dittohead... I've been around the block and around the world...

Your posts are exactly why I'm a registered dem.

I've voted and supported MODERATE Republicans in the past... Jim Edgar in Illinois, and Paul Cellucci and Bill Weld of Massachusetts... but Oklahoma Republicans seem to think that anything to the left of GENGHIS KHAN is pinko-commie liberal territory... shame.

Just an FYI Crash, the Republican Party is much closer to Fascism and Oligarchy and Feudalism than the dems...... so gee, I guess everybody should vote democrat because of that...

I've been told for decades by conservative republican ilk about how dems are socialists or communists...

Yes, the Dems are closer to that worldview.... but a slightly progressive streak in income taxes is NOT communism.

Minimum wage legislation is NOT socialism.

Supporting Roe v. Wade is NOT communism.

But Social Security is a good socialist program.

And I hope it NEVER disappears or is privatized.  It doesn't matter if I personally never use it, because my neighborhood is richer when old folks who've worked and/or raised children most of their lives are not stuck rumaging through my dumpster...

I get so sick of over-the-top republican activists...... ESPECIALLY IN THIS STATE.  I wish I could read reasonable posts from Republicans on this political forum... but it just doesn't happen... it's all at the same ol' demonize dems mentality that I've had enough of over the years...

Buehller... Bueller?!?

http://economistmom.com/2008/08/ben-stein-says-taxes-must-come-up/

The sad truth of the last two two-term Republican presidents is that their economic premise, the key part of their economic game plan, simply has not done what it's supposed to do.

That is, cutting taxes, especially on upper-income Americans, does not generate so much economic activity that it replaces all the lost I.R.S. take and then some. At least those have been the results so far.

...when President Bush drastically cut taxes after he was first elected, the I.R.S. take from individual income taxes fell and did not recover its 2001 level until 2006.

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A conservative purist might rejoin here that it would be fine if income tax receipts fell, because we would then have a smaller government and a freer society.

That would be nice, but far from true. Instead, government just keeps growing. Government spending grew dramatically under President Reagan, very nearly doubling, and leaving us with a federal deficit vastly bigger than the one he inherited. I know that a large chunk of that increase was to rebuild the military. I heartily approved of it.

But if you want to have a military buildup — and we need one now, desperately — that's usually a reason to raise taxes, not cut them.

Under the current president, we have had the same story. As income tax receipts fell, military and other spending rose rapidly.

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The facts of life are that federal spending is almost all untouchable: the military, Social Security, Medicare, interest on the debt, pensions. The discretionary part is tiny.

Every category of federal spending is likely to grow. This means that if we don't raise taxes, if we keep doing what we're doing, the immense deficits and debt will not go away — and will probably grow.

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The question is simply this: Do we want to step up to the plate like responsible people — I hate to say this, but the last responsible people who actually did this were named Bill and Bob (Clinton and Rubin) — and shoulder our responsibilities? Or do we just kick the can down the road a bit and leave the mess for our children and their children?

And if we do raise taxes, should people who are barely getting by pay them or should people who are getting by very nicely pay them?

I don't like taxing rich people or anyone I like. But our government — run by the people we elected — needs the revenue. Do we pay it or do we make our children pay it? Dwight D. Eisenhower and Bill Clinton knew the answer: You behave responsibly and balance the budget except in rare circumstances.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

USRufnex,

Just an FYI. Both Marxism and Nazism are left leaning ideologies. Skin heads in America only relate to the Republican Party because the majority of blacks went to the left. It's been a misnomer since that time, successfully disguised by the left to make the right out to be the extremists.

Nazi's are big government Socialists that do not value innocent human life. That's Dems, not Republicans.

The left sprouts Communism, Totalitarianism and dictatorships. Ask China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela or any other extremist state, which party or candidate they support. Birds of a feather my friend.

When I see that big poster that FB is putting up, calling Obama a Marxist and I look at the fact that Obama has the most extreme, left leaning voting record in the Senate, I don't see it as a cut down, but a stated fact.

Extreme left wing Democrats are Marxists. If they continually argue for all of the primary ideals of Marxism, why not wear the moniker with pride? Oh that's right..., because it means they eventually intend to successfully destroy the U.S. constitution and turn this nation Communist. I forgot there for a Second. Wouldn't want the sheeple to know the truth before it's to late now would we?

Lay off the racism FB.

I bet you are plenty able to express your point without dipping in to the gutter. Concentrate on what's under the skin. As with all Dems, beauty is only skin deep, (Or lack thereof) but ugly goes clean to the bone. Just point out the underlying facts. Democrats hate facts. They are inconvenient and really p*ss them off. [8D]

Either you are twelve or you have an  oversimple understanding history, if not life itself.  Nazis were socialists?  Democrats are Marxists?  Whew...

Hitler could never have consolidated his totalitarian grip on Germany without the support of the army, wealthy oligarchs, and industrial giants, many of which are still household names today: Krupp, Siemens, Leica, Zeiss, Bosch, (oddly) Ford Germany...on and on.  Nazism was as much as anything else a cold, calculated business decision on the part of military industrialists who discovered a convenient, if horrific, way to emerge from the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles. Ain't nuthin' socialist about that, Francis.

[USRufnex]

You know CF... too bad you point out underlying facts.... Republicans hate facts. They are inconvenient and really p*ss them off.  

[Crash Daily]

Oh no, he called me a ditto head! Better than a d!ldo head, like most Dims. [8D] See FB, I told you that facts really get them riled up. Watch this one. [] Oh, by the way, if Dims weren't so far left, you'd see that current Conservatism is very close to the center, but you wacky Libs, you're so far gone, you think Moderate Liberalism is slightly Conservative. Go figure. We've been pulled so far to the looney left, you can't even recognize balance any more. That means..., you're UNBALANCED.

http://thewwp.blogspot.com/2006/07/10-reasons-nazis-were-left-wing.html

10 Reasons the Nazis were left wing

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism that separates us from it...I have given orders that...Communists are to be recruited into the party at once. The petite bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a Nazi, but the communist always will" - Adolf Hitler

Every conservative and patriot has at some point been accused by a leftist of being a "Nazi". In fact it seems to be the favourite epithet of leftists, who toss it around in the direction of anyone who opposes them. I recently read that if you Google "Bush+Hitler", you get over 1 million results, such is the frequency with which leftists accuse conservatives of being "Nazis". The leftist typically casts the Nazis as extreme right wingers, and thus anyone who is a right winger is on the verge of Nazism in the fantasy world leftists live in, hence why they feel so inclined to accuse us of it. The insult is cheap and tasteless. It cheapens the lives of those killed by genuine Nazis, and betrays the lack of intellectual ammunition the left has in debates with conservatives, showing that leftists must resort to tasteless insults to get their point across and smear anyone who opposes them.

Ironically as it happens, Nazism is actually much more accurately described as a far LEFT movement than a far right movement, as it is more commonly (and it must be said falsely) described as being. In this report we shall examine the way the Nazis worked, and see that they were in fact better described as far leftists, like the Communists they were allegedly so diametrically opposed to, and thus leftists should be the last people to toss the "Nazi" epithet around. Lets look at the startling common ground Communism and Nazism have, which is un surprising given they are in actual fact both far left movements.

1) Cynical use of nationalism, frequently run in parallel to socialism

Whenever one suggests the Nazis were far left, the response of the leftist is to say they couldn't be, as the Nazis were nationalists both in a national and racial sense, and nationalism is more associated with the right than the "one world, no borders" view of the leftists. However, one should always be aware that leftists often like to appeal to sentiments of patriotism in order to better conceal their leftist agenda. The Nazis were no different. The party name the National Socialists directly shows this interweaving of nationalism and socialism, but it was not a mix, rather it was socialism/communism using a veneer of nationalism and patriotism to disguise itself, and to appeal to patriotic voters.

The Russian Communists also used nationalism when it suited them. For example, during the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa, the Communists urged the Russian people to "Defend the International Working Class" and other hollow Marxist cliches. The Red Army performed disastrously, and its morale was rock bottom. But then something changed; the Red Army suddenly got tougher, began fighting to the end, exhausting the Germans and finally defeating them. The reason was simple; the army were now no longer fighting to protect the "International working class"; the Soviets had changed their message, so now the men were fighting to protect Rodina Mat-Mother Russia. The war was dubbed "The Great Patriotic War", and the old Russian nationalist heroes of the past were evoked in film and radio to instill a sense of nationalism and patriotism, which the Communists had to permit in order to instill fighting will in their men. Men do not fight for abstract cliches. They fight for family and country.

This tactic has been copied by other far left regimes; in North Korea, Kim Sung Il has a number of honorific titles, some of which include "Matchless Patriot" and "Eternal Partisan", both of which are more nationalistic than socialist, and at North Korean military parades, nationalist emblems are more common than socialist ones. The North Korean army also sing a marching song called "No Motherland without You", which again appeals to right wing sentiments of patriotism. Even today leftists like to parrot patriotic slogans or make hollow statements about "Loving my country" when in fact they hate it, but they have to make these noises to take the wind out of the sails of genuine patriotic opponents.

2) Racism

At this point we shall look at the racial nationalism angle. Granted, we have established that far left regimes can and do interweaving nationalism and patriotism into their political expression (even if only for cynical reasons). However, the Nazis were also racial nationalists. The leftist argues that this means the Nazis were not leftist, as left wingers cannot possibly be racist or anti-Semitic now, can they? Yeah right....

There are countless examples of leftist racism. In the USSR, whole ethnic groups could be up-rooted from their homelands and forcefully deported, be it to create the fabled "New Soviet Man" or as collective punishment such as when North Caucasian ethnic groups were deported for perceived disloyalty. Whole ethnic groups could be the subject of collective punishment for perceived crimes against Communism, such as when the Communists starved over 1 million Ukrainians to death. In Communist Vietnam, hill tribes people such as the Montagnards and Hmong are routinely persecuted by the Communist regime in Hanoi on the grounds their ethnicity makes them naturally more deserving of punishment. The black Marxists of Zimbabwe are also known for their undisguised anti-white racism, and have gleefully orchestrated a campaign of ethnic cleansing, property seizure and vilification against the whites.

3) Similar demographic target voter

The Nazi party appealed to the exact same constituency as the DKP (Communists). Both appealed to the lower middle and upper working class Germans who had been worst hit by the Wall Street Crash and its resultant global depression. If the Communists are far left and the Nazis are far right, then one assumes they would attract different voter groups. But they didn't, as they were in actual fact both simply sub-variants of the same far-left ideology.

4) Similar power seizure tactics

Both Nazism and Communism, have little that appeals to most voters, and thus their chances of electoral success are slim. The Communists realised early on that the masses would never accept Communism, and the Nazis also realised this. Both Communism and Nazism believed that their best tactic for winning power would be to seize power by force during a period of societal chaos and anarchy. For the Communists, this was called "revolutionary defeatism", which is outlined in more detail at this link. Essentially, it was to encourage proxy groups to stir up chaos and violence, until the current society collapsed, and in this window of opportunity, armed Bolsheviks could seize the organs of power.

Nazis also believed this; again, a period of chaos and societal breakdown was needed to create a window of opportunity which their activists could take advantage of. The only difference was that the Communists wanted to have a hand in starting the chaos, whilst the Nazis did not, believing it was best to simply prepare for the chaos eventually happening so they would be placed best to take advantage of it when it finally came. In some ultra-nationalist circles this is called a "Redeeming crisis", though it is by no means limited to these circles.

5) Contempt for innocent life

"One death is a tragedy, a million is statistic" - Stalin
" If the war is lost then it is of no concern to me if the people perish in it" - Hitler

Both of these far left leaders quotes epitomise the contempt for innocent life the far left has. The Nazis and Communists also racked up a fair body count in the C20th, with at least 100 million people killed by both. They did so because they did not care about innocent people, and this led them to either kill them themselves in massacres, or as a result of their bizarre social experiments, such as Stalins attempts to collectivise farming or similar one by Mao which was so bad, that Chinese peasants resorted to eating soil to try and remain alive, only to die of intestinal disease; Mao is said to have remarked that he was more than happy to have half of China's (then) 500 million die if thats what it took for his utopia to come about.

Both Communists and Nazis glorified violence. Official Nazi propaganda taught that war was the noblest human calling of all, and the Nazis believed that there vision of a utopia would only be complete once they had Lebensraum in which to build it, hence the launch of World War II. Communism also relished/relishes violence, aggression and confrontation, and even today, far left publications are filled with urges to "resist", "struggle", "fight on" etc. And the black Marxist BPP adopted the slogan "By any means necessary".

6) Re-invention of morality and human nature

Both Nazism and Communism re-invented morality; both believed there was no God as it was "the ultimate Jewish consequence" or "opiate of the masses", depending on whether you were Nazi or Communist. There was also a denial of the traditional Western moral view of the dignity of the individual, which was cast aside in favour of collectivism and deindividuation. Both Nazis and Communists expected their citizens to submerge their individuality into the sea of the collective masses, and to sacrifice themselves for this goal, until we had a "New Soviet Man" or "Ubermensch", again a different label for the same concept. Both of these mythological utopianites were men who had no traits to distinguish them from any other, and whose whole psychology revolved around serving the hive-like structure of the collectivist utopian society.

7) Belief in creating a utopia via the guidance of an all powerful ruling party

When the Nazis came to power, one of their first goals was to create a Volksgemeinschaft ("Peoples Community"), where all divisions based on class would be swept away, and all people would live together in a healthy state. One can already see the parallels between this "classless utopian" vision of the Nazis and the similar classless heaven on earth envisaged by Marxists.

The Nazis also believed that a temporary period would be needed to realign and re educate their population before this leap to a classless Volksgemeinschaft paradise could come about. This meant an all powerful inner party taking control of all organs of public culture, from theatre and music to the education system and print media. This was exactly what the Bolsheviks in Russia did when they came to power, as they too believed that there needed to be a temporary "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" when an all powerful inner party would lead the re-education and societal re-alignment of the masses to prepare them for the leap to the classless utopia. Again, no difference between the Communists and the Nazis.

Use of monitoring, gulags and slave labour

Both the Nazis and Communists also employed secret police forces to crush internal opposition, thus eliminating competing views of the future from interrupting their social engineering. In both cases, the police forces of Nazi Germany (Gestapo) and the USSR (NKVD, later KGB) operated with almost total power and employed an extensive number of informants who were encouraged to "denounce" their neighbours. Yet again, absolutely no difference between the Nazis and the Communists, as they were both far left movements.

Both the Nazis and Communists constructed elaborate camps where political opponents, real or imagined could be sent. These camps were characterised by forced labour, sexual abuse, forced participation in medical and military experiments and brutal working conditions. I would recommend Solzhenitsyn's book "Gulag" for anyone interested further in the conditions inside these camps. Political opponents were also used as forced labour; indeed, in Nazi Germany there were almost 5-10 million people working as slaves when the surrender came, and at any one time during the Cold War at least 250,000 people were detained in Gulags in the Soviet Union. Many of the civil engineering projects of the Stalin years were built using slave labourers.

9) Political narrative casting one group as the source of all evil

Both the Nazis and the Communists had political narratives in which one all powerful opponent stood between them and their heaven on earth. The only difference was what they called this group; for the Nazis it was "International Jewry" whilst for Communists it was the "bourgeoisie". In these narratives, the group in question were never capable of being part of the new utopia, were trying to use their control of banking and finance to prevent utopia from coming around, and the only option left therefore was to eliminate them altogether. For Nazis, this was "the Jews", whilst for the Communists, this was the bourgeoisie; as Pipes remarks, "Lenin hated what he perceived to be 'the bourgeoisie' with a destructive pattern that fully equaled Hitler's hatred of the Jews". This destructive pattern followed an ever escalating campaign of vilification towards the target group; property confiscation, legal bars, violence towards this group encouraged and un-punished by the authorities, and eventually starvation, deportation and killing.

For Communists, several famines were deliberately engineered so as to kill off "bourgeoisie" and the ones who miraculously survived were often put against a wall and shot by Red Army units. Many were also loaded onto cattle trucks and transported to gulags in Siberia. Lenin often urged his Red Guards to be "pitiless" with the people, and they did just that. The Nazis also used starvation, such as in the Warsaw ghetto where Jews were allowed to starve to death, before they were loaded onto cattle trucks and taken for "re-settlement"; and we all know what that was a euphemism for...

10) Desire to disarm and dominate the people

"...ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state" - Heinrich Himmler

In a truly free nation, the people rule the leaders, not the other way round. However, in tyranny, the reverse is true, with a small cabal dictating terms to the masses, and viewing them all as nothing more than cogs in the state machinery to serve the needs of "The People" or "The State". In such a state, a few heroic people will always resist, some forcefully. In the extreme states of the far left, citizenry are disarmed almost immediately, leaving them to the fate of the "party", and also leaving the people they choose to massacre and transport to gulags defenseless.

Conclusion

As we have seen, Nazism and Communism are/were indistinguishable. This similarity is not because, as leftists claim, because both Communist and Nazi states used similar tactics. The tactics were not the result as a coincidence; it was because the two systems were ideological twins, even if at least outwardly they were non-identical ones. Nazism and Communism are both far left ideologically; the brutal tactics they each employed were the natural outgrowth of ideologies that exalted collectivism, deindividuation and violence.

It is ironic that leftists, who are most prone to toss the epithet "Nazi" around, are actually closer to being Nazis than any Conservative will ever be...