Obama's Interference in Iraq

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by guido911

This story broke yesterday:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/

What is unusual is Obama's response, which was analyzed here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/

While these are evil conservative websites, the substance of the article in the NY Post and Obama's response is intact.  

If what is alleged is true, Obama is at a minimum a hypocrite on troop draw downs. More likely is that the McCain campaign and most assuredly the 527s will have a field day.

Still more lies.  In addition to Obama and Republicans Lugar and Hagel saying that this story is simply not true, members of the Bush administration, who were present, collaborate Obama's version of the story:

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A Bush administration official with knowledge of the meeting says that, during the meeting, Obama stressed to al-Maliki that he would not interfere with President Bush's negotiations concerning the U.S. troop presence in Iraq, and that he supports the Bush administration's position on the need to negotiate, as soon as possible, the Status of Forces Agreement, which deals with, among other matters, U.S. troops having immunity from local prosecution.

Hmmm.  Wonder if Palin even knows what the Status of Forces Agreement or the Stratgic Framework Agreement is.

Wait for it...wait for it....wait for it...

Someone will claim that ABC News is really a shill for liberals (or possibly even calling them libtards) in ...

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[we vs us]

ABC News is nothing but a shill for the libtards.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

ABC News is nothing but a shill for the libtards.

Agree with you 100%.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

ABC News is nothing but a shill for the libtards.

Agree with you 100%.

Knew it was coming.

But haven't you noticed how the responses have been quite tame from the right as of late?

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

ABC News is nothing but a shill for the libtards.

Agree with you 100%.

Knew it was coming.

But haven't you noticed how the responses have been quite tame from the right as of late?

Football has started for the weekend. We'll get back to you Monday or Tuesday......

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

ABC News is nothing but a shill for the libtards.

Agree with you 100%.

Knew it was coming.

But haven't you noticed how the responses have been quite tame from the right as of late?

Football has started for the weekend. We'll get back to you Monday or Tuesday......

Didn't stop you guys last week...but then again, the gubmint didn't just give failing companies a $700 billion crutch either.

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[Crash Daily]

ABC, NBC, CBS, The NY York Times, TIME Magazine, USA Today, The Tulsa Whirrled, they are all in the tank for the left. I can't even get a local paper with the integrity to be objective and unbiased.

Of course it's going to come up. You know it's going to come up because it's true. Setting up that little count down didn't make it any less true.

I'm just amazed Libs haven't yet found a way to ban FOX News and talk radio. Oh wait, you have. It's just a matter of time if you commies get total control, before the "Fairness" doctrine gets re-instituted and we become the People's Republic of America.

Now it's time for the response about how all those media outlets are unbiased and Fox News is extreme right wing, even though university studies have actually shown that they are the most Fair and Balanced, only being slightly tilted to the right. As I keep saying, the left is so far out there, they can't even recognize the center any more.

Wait for it...., Wait for it.

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[we vs us]

All those media outlets are unbiased and Fox News is extreme right wing.  





























Paaaaahahahaha, I couldn't help myself.  Actually, all those media outlets are biased towards the right.

Fox news is still extreme right wing, though.

[pmcalk]

Cite your sources--what university studies?

So you think that ABC is making up the fact that they have a document that proves that the Governors office authorized the trip?

[Crash Daily]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Cite your sources--what university studies?

So you think that ABC is making up the fact that they have a document that proves that the Governors office authorized the trip?

I don't know if ABC is making it up or not. I don't know if they are stretching the truth or not. I do know the main stream media has jumped on false documentation in the past, being so rabidly against the right, that they throw proper vetting of documents, that attack the right, out the window. Or they will exaggerate the importance of documents, in hopes of getting traction. i know you don't want to hear it and have obviously have political amnesia, when it comes to these media tactics

Careful what you wish for. When you ask, you will receive. Of course, these studies are factual and truthful, so I doubt any Liberal will give them a second look or thought.

http://www.twoorthree.net/2008/01/another-univers.html

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664

http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

http://www.sacredheart.edu/pages/20786_americans_slam_news_media_on_believability.cfm

[akupetsky]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Cite your sources--what university studies?

So you think that ABC is making up the fact that they have a document that proves that the Governors office authorized the trip?

I don't know if ABC is making it up or not. I don't know if they are stretching the truth or not. I do know the main stream media has jumped on false documentation in the past, being so rabidly against the right, that they throw proper vetting of documents, that attack the right, out the window. Or they will exaggerate the importance of documents, in hopes of getting traction. i know you don't want to hear it and have obviously have political amnesia, when it comes to these media tactics

Careful what you wish for. When you ask, you will receive. Of course, these studies are factual and truthful, so I doubt any Liberal will give them a second look or thought.

http://www.twoorthree.net/2008/01/another-univers.html

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664

http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

http://www.sacredheart.edu/pages/20786_americans_slam_news_media_on_believability.cfm

The 2005 study shows a slight bias to the left on some of the major news organizations, but a number of their reports (plus the Hume Report, which was slightly to the right) close to the center.

The other study was done during the Primaries, where, of course, Fox was in the middle (Obama v. Clinton, McCain v. Huckabee and Romney).  

Besides, the comparison of coverage itself assumes a moral equivalence between liberal and conservative.[]

[Crash Daily]

The media bias to the left has nothing to do with moral equivalence and not all studies were done just during the election cycles, although, during election cycles, it really shows their bias, ten fold. That is the time it counts most, so it is most relevant.

There was a study by Michigan, that I can't find. It totally removed the argument regarding moral equivalence. They just counted negative/positive articles and stories, regarding Liberal vs Conservative issues and negative/positive articles and stories on Republicans and Democrats. Once again Fox was just slightly right of center and the rest were way left, as usual. Not "slightly" left.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

The media bias to the left has nothing to do with moral equivalence and not all studies were done just during the election cycles, although, during election cycles, it really shows their bias, ten fold. That is the time it counts most, so it is most relevant.

There was a study by Michigan, that I can't find. It totally removed the argument regarding moral equivalence. They just counted negative/positive articles and stories, regarding Liberal vs Conservative issues and negative/positive articles and stories on Republicans and Democrats. Once again Fox was just slightly right of center and the rest were way left, as usual. Not "slightly" left.

And how very convenient you can't find the article now.

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[Crash Daily]

What, I didn't reply with enough articles already? That Michigan study is old, but I'm sure it's out there somewhere. I've already supplied enough to make my point. Find it yourself. Thanks for giving me credit for coming up with the study though. []

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Crash Daily

quote:So you think that ABC is making up the fact that they have a document that proves that the Governors office authorized the trip?

I don't know if ABC is making it up or not. I don't know if they are stretching the truth or not. I do know the main stream media has jumped on false documentation in the past, being so rabidly against the right, that they throw proper vetting of documents, that attack the right, out the window. Or they will exaggerate the importance of documents, in hopes of getting traction. i know you don't want to hear it and have obviously have political amnesia, when it comes to these media tactics

Careful what you wish for. When you ask, you will receive. Of course, these studies are factual and truthful, so I doubt any Liberal will give them a second look or thought.

http://www.twoorthree.net/2008/01/another-univers.html

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664

http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

http://www.sacredheart.edu/pages/20786_americans_slam_news_media_on_believability.cfm

Thanks for responding.  

The first cite you post is Two or Three net—don't know much about them, but I tend to be a bit suspicious, since below that it says "Christian commentary."  They cite to Center for Media and Public Affairs, an organization whose objectivity is questionable.  Having said that, I agree that, at the beginning of the campaign, Obama received much more positive coverage than Hillary as CMPA reports.  Fox, surprisingly, was not as hostile to her.  I don't know how this shows liberal vs. conservative bias, though.  If a station was hostile to Hillary, but favorable to Huckabee, does that mean they were liberal or conservative?  So I would say the CMPA cite proves very little.

Incidentally, the most recent study on the election from CMPA says that Obama is faring much worse than McCain on the news.  There's your liberal media for you.

As for the UCLA study, I find the methodology very odd.  Can you explain how they determined what was liberal versus what was conservative?  

Finally, your Sacred Heart reference—that study did not find that one station was more/less liberal than another.  It was a study of perceptions of the media.  The fact that 45% of Americans surveyed believe the media is liberal does not make that so.  And that 27% of those surveyed trust Fox doesn't mean they are right.