Palin: To know her is to not like her so much

[Hometown]

Conan, we now know who instituted the policy.

To get to your responsibility I want to ask you a simple question.

Did you vote for George W. Bush?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

If we are very fortunate, you Republicans will have another opportunity to reinvent your party the morning after the election.

FOR GODS SAKE, MOVE BACK TO THE MIDDLE AND DUMP THE RELIGIOUS NUTS AND THE WAR MONGERING NEOCONS.  LET YOUR MODERATES TAKE BACK THEIR PARTY.

Look back to your roots as fiscal conservatives with a laissez faire approach to social issues.  Look back to your Fords and Rockefellers and Eisenhauers.

Reagan was once in a lifetime and he and his failed ideas have not stood the test of time.

McCain could have moved you back to the center but you have become a one trick pony.

Palin is a simple woman in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It's time for you guys to reinvent yourselves.

What about the Democratic ticket this year says "center?"  I don't think they could have cobbled together a more left leaning ticket.  Or is it okay if you're not "center" as long as you're to the left of it?

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  That was substantive.

Yes, very.

"The American taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG or anyone."  John McCain

He waffled badly

[Hometown]

Talking heads describe him of right of Clinton.  Clinton made a career out of the center.  One example that comes to mind is Obama's plan to bring insurers to the table to create national health insurance.

Losing one election after another drove us to the center.  I hope for your sake and ours that the Rule of Neocons and the Religious Nuts in your Party is about to end and send you back towards the center where most Americans live.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  That was substantive.

Yes, very.

"The American taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG or anyone."  John McCain

He waffled badly

Saying the taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG, then saying it was unavoidable doesn't sound like a waffle to me.  But I'll gladly pass the syrup if you like.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  That was substantive.

Yes, very.

"The American taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG or anyone."  John McCain

He waffled badly

Saying the taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG, then saying it was unavoidable doesn't sound like a waffle to me.  But I'll gladly pass the syrup if you like.

(insert bronx cheer)

He switched to sound supportive of all the little people.  All of them would've.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I'm talking about you Republicans breaking international treaties that the U.S. authored and creating a situation where our service people risk receiving the same.  

I don't need to call you names.  You have already embarassed yourself.

Every time you sound off about the military, you make my skin crawl. Please, do not pretend you care one iota about our "service people."

Once again, here is Hometown on military service:

"I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery. The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out. Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class. Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8081&whichpage=3&SearchTerms=veteran%2Cmilitary

[mdunn]

I had almost decide on Mccain,until he picked that whiney,goofy accented militant Palin.Just to hear her voice makes me cringe!Im not against women in politics at all,but he could have done way better than this one!

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

PM- a challenge to you. Can you name any redeeming qualities Joe Biden has, and what substance he could bring to the White House instead of constantly crapping on Palin?  Last I checked, he's running for the same office she is, not Obama.

Usually running down the opponent is the result of not having enough good things to say about your own candidate.  It deflects attention from the weaknesses or lack of substance in one's own candidate.  Must be the case here as I didn't see you defending Obama or Biden very much on other recent threads started on them.

Your obsession w/ Palin borders on needing latex.

Forgive me for "obsessing" about a woman who could very well be president, a woman who could be in charge of our nuclear weapons, a woman who could potentially put our country at risk of another war, who could put my sons in danger.  I have always been an Obama supporter.  But honestly I was never afraid McCain, but I am afraid of Palin.  I thought it showed tremendous independence when McCain referred to Falwell and the like as agents of hate.  Now he is running with one of those agents.  He chose a woman who has no experience (please, can we at least admit that proximity to a foreign country doesn't impart experience—you don't catch it like a cold) who would appeal to the radical right.  He purposely chose someone who would further divide our country, and has no business being in such a high position.  She is nothing but Bush with less experience.  

This is the republican party--I thought you guys didn't support affirmative action.

As for the reasons I support Biden, he has a very strong record on women's issues.  He has been at the forefront on issues regarding violence against women and equal pay (you can read more here:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423843,00.html).  He played a critical role in keeping Robert Bork off of the Supreme Court.  His work in making college more affordable I agree with.  Chairing the foreign relations committee makes him an excellent candidate based upon his experience.  I supported his efforts to focus on the atrocities by Milosevic, and his attempt with Lugar to exhaust diplomatic efforts before going to war in Iraq.

On the other hand, I doubt he can shoot a moose.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
The polls don't seem to bear out that McCain is self-destructing.  

According to one poll, McCain has dropped seven points in seven days.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/opinion/polls/main4456249.shtml

I agree that polls aren't that reliable, and won't matter until election day.  But I am sure that it give the Palin/McCain party some pause to drop that much that fast.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
The polls don't seem to bear out that McCain is self-destructing.  

According to one poll, McCain has dropped seven points in seven days.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/opinion/polls/main4456249.shtml

I agree that polls aren't that reliable, and won't matter until election day.  But I am sure that it give the Palin/McCain party some pause to drop that much that fast.

I think the internals on this poll are as follows:
Dem 40.6 Repub 31.6 Indep. 27.8.

Still, you are correct, whatever bounce McCain got from Palin announcement and convention (that put him ahead) appears to be gone.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I'm talking about you Republicans breaking international treaties that the U.S. authored and creating a situation where our service people risk receiving the same.  

I don't need to call you names.  You have already embarassed yourself.

Every time you sound off about the military, you make my skin crawl. Please, do not pretend you care one iota about our "service people."

Once again, here is Hometown on military service:

"I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery. The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out. Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class. Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8081&whichpage=3&SearchTerms=veteran%2Cmilitary

Yes I care about service people.  Here's the remainder of my post that you quoted:

"Before the war was over I made one of my famous cross country hitch hiking trips and I made friends with another hitch hiker, a military man who was AWOL. We got stuck in Salt Lake City and stayed there all day and most of a night before we were picked up by some old guys from Arkansas in a truck. The military man was one of those people you feel like you know very well right away. We talked and talked and talked. Before we split up outside of Tulsa, I took his name and number. I wrote him several times over the years and never got a response. I still think about this man and hope that things worked out for him. I've lost his address, can't even remember where he was from."

Now you've never answered any of my questions. But I don't want to distract from the topic at hand.

I imagine you feel quite comfortable with Palin and Bush and McCain and what has happened in Iraq.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Wow.  That was substantive.

Yes, very.

"The American taxpayer should not have to bail out AIG or anyone."  John McCain

He waffled badly

And he's correct. How is saying that we shouldn't have to bail them out, but we're being forced into it waffling?  

I'll give you his quote again:

"The focus of any such action should be to protect the millions of Americans who hold insurance policies, retirement plans and other accounts with AIG," he added. "We must not bail out the management and speculators who created this mess."

[tim huntzinger]

'A grizzly bear tried to stare Sarah Palin down once. Once.'

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I'm talking about you Republicans breaking international treaties that the U.S. authored and creating a situation where our service people risk receiving the same.  

I don't need to call you names.  You have already embarassed yourself.

Every time you sound off about the military, you make my skin crawl. Please, do not pretend you care one iota about our "service people."

Once again, here is Hometown on military service:

"I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery. The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out. Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class. Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8081&whichpage=3&SearchTerms=veteran%2Cmilitary

Yes I care about service people.  Here's the remainder of my post that you quoted:

"Before the war was over I made one of my famous cross country hitch hiking trips and I made friends with another hitch hiker, a military man who was AWOL. We got stuck in Salt Lake City and stayed there all day and most of a night before we were picked up by some old guys from Arkansas in a truck. The military man was one of those people you feel like you know very well right away. We talked and talked and talked. Before we split up outside of Tulsa, I took his name and number. I wrote him several times over the years and never got a response. I still think about this man and hope that things worked out for him. I've lost his address, can't even remember where he was from."

Now you've never answered any of my questions. But I don't want to distract from the topic at hand.

I imagine you feel quite comfortable with Palin and Bush and McCain and what has happened in Iraq.

I owe you no explanation or answer to any question about my military service after your "erving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."  That comment is just about as despicable as can be. BTW, your little "walk the earth" encounter with the AWOL soldier in no way mitigates your abject disdain for the military. Do us a favor, when it comes to the military, shut up and be thankful and grateful there are those willing to stand in harms way so you can have the freedom to type on this message board.

As for Iraq, I am confortable with what appears to be a victory in Iraq.
Were there problems? Yes.
Could it have been handled better? Yes.
Am I saddened that many soldiers died or are permamently injured? Yes, very much.

However, are 25 million Iraqis free today? Yes.
Is a distabilizing regime been removed? Yes.
Has a terrorist-supporter been removed? Yes.
Is there a fledgling democracy in a region run by mullahs, dictators, and terrorists? Yes.
Will our soldiers return victors instead of losers? Yes.
Was Clinton's policy of regime change affected? Yes.