Huge planning failure by everyone involved

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by dayzella

quote:Originally posted by Hometown



I would love it if Tulsans would bus downtown for a big event.  

I did bus downtown today - as part of my normal commute.  Apparently, there was no reroute for the busses.  My fellow passengers and I got off at 15th and Denver and walked downtown once it was clear that it would take the bus another hour to make it up the hill.

In more practiced cities, the busses would have had reroutes and/or dedicated lanes in.  The bus station being next to the arena was supposed to be a mutually beneficial situational relationship ... wasn't it?

I bet this is the last time they have a CF like this.  They are learning and I'm sure there will be meetings and better PR next time around for shuttles for weekday events at BOKC.

[Michael71]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Should've used this opportunity to hang signs

"If you lived downtown you'd be at work by now".

True...True!!!

[Gaspar]

They should have just used the Cityplex parking lot and shuttled folks like they do for other DT events.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

They should have just used the Cityplex parking lot and shuttled folks like they do for other DT events.

I think they might have had like six places to shuttle from, the problem is that it wasn't communicated very efficiently.

Hopefully this is one of those deals where they take from it and learn.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

They should have just used the Cityplex parking lot and shuttled folks like they do for other DT events.

I think they might have had like six places to shuttle from, the problem is that it wasn't communicated very efficiently.

Hopefully this is one of those deals where they take from it and learn.

Paople don't like leaving their vehicle many miles away from where they are going if there is a chance to be closer. Also if you shuttle people in , doesn't this go against the idea the leaders have of having people walk downtown.
I wouldn't park at another place as there is no security and cars tend to get broken into with such an oppurtunity like that...

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

They should have just used the Cityplex parking lot and shuttled folks like they do for other DT events.

I think they might have had like six places to shuttle from, the problem is that it wasn't communicated very efficiently.

Hopefully this is one of those deals where they take from it and learn.

Paople don't like leaving their vehicle many miles away from where they are going if there is a chance to be closer. Also if you shuttle people in , doesn't this go against the idea the leaders have of having people walk downtown.
I wouldn't park at another place as there is no security and cars tend to get broken into with such an oppurtunity like that...

This is exactly the reason why people won't change to mass transit in this city.

I went to DC a couple of years ago; stayed at a hotel in Northern VA, rented a car, drove that car to a METRO station, parked it in the garage, took the METRO into DC and took it back.

Guess what?

Thousands of people had no problem leaving their car MILES away from where they work or were attending an event.

And are you sure there was no security at these remote locations?  I would think that wouldn't be too wise given that the event planners themselves were advising doing this.

But that's just me.

[kylieosu]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Should've used this opportunity to hang signs

"If you lived downtown you'd be at work by now".

Haha! So true. I live downtown and didn't realize the event was this morning. When I left for work around 7:15, it was already bad. I couldn't believe all the traffic heading in....it really was like I was in another city.

[TheTed]

I can't foresee another arena event that'll bring many people downtown during business hours. The C-USA tournament will happen during work hours, but attendance will be sparse during the daytime sessions.

If folks would stick to downtown's many extra-wide one way streets we wouldn't have significant traffic flow issues. Those streets are never anywhere near capacity. Driving up Denver during any type of event is not real smart.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

They should have just used the Cityplex parking lot and shuttled folks like they do for other DT events.

I think they might have had like six places to shuttle from, the problem is that it wasn't communicated very efficiently.

Hopefully this is one of those deals where they take from it and learn.

Paople don't like leaving their vehicle many miles away from where they are going if there is a chance to be closer. Also if you shuttle people in , doesn't this go against the idea the leaders have of having people walk downtown.
I wouldn't park at another place as there is no security and cars tend to get broken into with such an oppurtunity like that...

One reason to drive a total POS, no one wants to break into it. [}:)]

I don't recall ever seeing much in the way of a patrolled security for downtown parking either.  I think people will realize the parking and traffic hassles and will take shuttles with proper notice next time.

People learned their lesson on lack of parking with events at Riverwest Festival Park and take advantage of the Fairground shuttles rather than trying to clog up the area around the festival grounds.  Looked like the shuttles were doing brisk business up and down 15th St. all day and night this last Saturday for the QT show.

Anyone hear estimates on the crowd numbers?

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

I can't foresee another arena event that'll bring many people downtown during business hours. The C-USA tournament will happen during work hours, but attendance will be sparse during the daytime sessions.

If folks would stick to downtown's many extra-wide one way streets we wouldn't have significant traffic flow issues. Those streets are never anywhere near capacity. Driving up Denver during any type of event is not real smart.

7th Street was backed up from Denver to as far as the eye could see.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

I can't foresee another arena event that'll bring many people downtown during business hours. The C-USA tournament will happen during work hours, but attendance will be sparse during the daytime sessions.

If folks would stick to downtown's many extra-wide one way streets we wouldn't have significant traffic flow issues. Those streets are never anywhere near capacity. Driving up Denver during any type of event is not real smart.

7th Street was backed up from Denver to as far as the eye could see.

I drove the length of both 7th and 8th streets early this morning during the time Denver was packed. No delays at all on 7th/8th except for all the morons on Denver blocking 7th and 8th.

I find it very difficult to believe that any of those downtown one ways was packed. They're like 15% full even during a normal rush hour. The lights are timed. They're as close as you can get to an expressway in terms of efficiency in moving lots of cars.

[inteller]

so what I want to know is, who is at fault, and when are they getting fired?  I don't want to hear any bull**** about "growing pains" or "working the kinks out"  They had months notice on this.

Da mare is directly responsible for this debacle.  She has authority to plan for this kind of crap.  Thank goodness there was no major medical emergencies in the fubar parts of downtown.  The planning negligence exposed the city to liability today.

What is even MORE insulting is putting the downtown workers in direct competition for parking with attendees.  I can just imagine how the conversation went:

"Hi, we are Zig Zigler motivational speaker series and we will be in your region late Sept, but we can only visit your podunk town on a Monday instead of a weekend"

Mare's office:  "Ok, but we need you to start at 8 because if all of the naysayers get downtown at 9 and find all of the good parking taken they will make us look bad"

Ziglar:  "No problem!  In fact we will do one better, we will go until 4:45 so we can unleash our 18000 motivated individuals on your pissed off workforce for rush hour traffic"

Mare's office:  "EXCELLENT!"

[TheTed]

Downtown Tulsa evening rush hour < Downtown Enid evening rush hour

[OUGrad05]

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

I can't foresee another arena event that'll bring many people downtown during business hours. The C-USA tournament will happen during work hours, but attendance will be sparse during the daytime sessions.

If folks would stick to downtown's many extra-wide one way streets we wouldn't have significant traffic flow issues. Those streets are never anywhere near capacity. Driving up Denver during any type of event is not real smart.

7th Street was backed up from Denver to as far as the eye could see.

I drove the length of both 7th and 8th streets early this morning during the time Denver was packed. No delays at all on 7th/8th except for all the morons on Denver blocking 7th and 8th.

I find it very difficult to believe that any of those downtown one ways was packed. They're like 15% full even during a normal rush hour. The lights are timed. They're as close as you can get to an expressway in terms of efficiency in moving lots of cars.

I was on 7th at 7:15 this morning and sat within 50 feet of the entrance of our parking garage for 15 minutes. By the time I made it into my office it was 7:39.