Huge planning failure by everyone involved

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

even in the worst downtown Houston traffic, people move more than 50 feet an hour.  

someone ****ed up, and they ****ed up big.  and that person needs to go back to Slick OK or whatever bum**** place they came from, because they obviously can't plan for ****.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

The horror.

I think we shouldn't book anything for the new arena because it might inconvenience someone.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

The horror.

I think we shouldn't book anything for the new arena because it might inconvenience someone.

try several thousand someones....who are not interested in going to see a bunch of blowhards but rather need to get to work because millions on welfare depend on them.

[OUGrad05]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

The horror.

I think we shouldn't book anything for the new arena because it might inconvenience someone.

I guess those of us that work downtown and spend our money on a regular basis down there are irrelevant now that we have the big arena.  

How about they fix the parking situation?  The solution here isn't a tough one, put in parking north and west of the arena.  Allow those that have and PAY for parking passes downtown to have reserved spots so those who do not get to work at 6:45 am have a place to park...or are those of us that actually care about and invest our time and money downtown no longer important?

I'm glad the arena is there and I think if Tulsa gets their **** together the arena and ballpark are going to bring businesses downtown which I will benefit from but that doesn't mean we ignore the substantial problems we currently face downtown.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

The horror.

I think we shouldn't book anything for the new arena because it might inconvenience someone.

I guess those of us that work downtown and spend our money on a regular basis down there are irrelevant now that we have the big arena.  

How about they fix the parking situation?  The solution here isn't a tough one, put in parking north and west of the arena.  Allow those that have and PAY for parking passes downtown to have reserved spots so those who do not get to work at 6:45 am have a place to park...or are those of us that actually care about and invest our time and money downtown no longer important?

I'm glad the arena is there and I think if Tulsa gets their **** together the arena and ballpark are going to bring businesses downtown which I will benefit from but that doesn't mean we ignore the substantial problems we currently face downtown.

This is gonna happen once a year, if that. There's no reason to spend a bunch of money and build a bunch of parking that's only needed once a year. 364 days a year downtown has way more parking than it needs. Building more parking isn't the answer.

Lots of folks weren't prepared today.

Hopefully some things will happen next time:

Event goers will take the shuttles.

Downtown workers will make plans when this event returns. Take the bus. Take a cab. Take the shuttle that the event goers take.

The issue with your space being given away is between you and your parking company.

[FOTD]

You all are just now realizing this areama debacle was a huge planning failure from the beggining?

Ya gotta keep up with the Jonses!

TulsaNow's Itinerant Exorcism Servicer

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

Downtown workers will make plans when this event returns. Take the bus. Take a cab. Take the shuttle that the event goers take.

The issue with your space being given away is between you and your parking company.

Why should Tulsa'a bread and butter workers have to make special arrangements?  Let the event planners arrange for transportation from remote lots.

I agree that the  parking companys need to keep paid-for spaces for the payer.

[OUGrad05]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by OUGrad05

This was absolutely insane.  I am usually to work at 6:45am.  I planned to get there at 6:30 am...instead I got there at 6:50 because I was stuck in traffic for 20 mins within 3 blocks of work.  On top of that anyone arriving downtown just 10 minutes after me, was stuck in traffic for 55 mins to an hour.

Then the BOK General Manager on the news said we didn't need to change anything because these events are "rare"

sounds like the firing needs to start there.  rare?  What about the sold out event there tomorrow that gets out at 4?  Rare?  Those ****ers would sell us out and book one every work day of the week if offered the chance.

The horror.

I think we shouldn't book anything for the new arena because it might inconvenience someone.

I guess those of us that work downtown and spend our money on a regular basis down there are irrelevant now that we have the big arena.  

How about they fix the parking situation?  The solution here isn't a tough one, put in parking north and west of the arena.  Allow those that have and PAY for parking passes downtown to have reserved spots so those who do not get to work at 6:45 am have a place to park...or are those of us that actually care about and invest our time and money downtown no longer important?

I'm glad the arena is there and I think if Tulsa gets their **** together the arena and ballpark are going to bring businesses downtown which I will benefit from but that doesn't mean we ignore the substantial problems we currently face downtown.

This is gonna happen once a year, if that. There's no reason to spend a bunch of money and build a bunch of parking that's only needed once a year. 364 days a year downtown has way more parking than it needs. Building more parking isn't the answer.

Lots of folks weren't prepared today.

Hopefully some things will happen next time:

Event goers will take the shuttles.

Downtown workers will make plans when this event returns. Take the bus. Take a cab. Take the shuttle that the event goers take.

The issue with your space being given away is between you and your parking company.

Once a year?  Ummm...riiiight....

Considering if you count today and whats on the schedule for the end of the year we have 4...once a year seems to be a bit of an understatement.  

They need more parking instead of saying screw you to all of us that work down there.

I want the arena to work and I want them to hold daytime events to be honest.  Why?  Because in the long run if they fix the problems it provides more amenities for me to enjoy each and every day.  But that doesn't mean they get to **** all over those of us who are down there every day and it doesn't mean they get a pass on their mistakes...

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

Downtown workers will make plans when this event returns. Take the bus. Take a cab. Take the shuttle that the event goers take.

The issue with your space being given away is between you and your parking company.

Why should Tulsa'a bread and butter workers have to make special arrangements?  Let the event planners arrange for transportation from remote lots.

I agree that the  parking companys need to keep paid-for spaces for the payer.

Tulsa's workers are responsible for getting themselves to work. Just like workers in major cities respond to traffic/congestion/lack of parking by finding other ways of getting to work, Tulsans will have to get to work despite the traffic.

If people are gonna get their panties in a wad this much over a little congestion, maybe they should just take a vacation day on the rare occasion that a major arena event happens during a workday.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

Downtown workers will make plans when this event returns. Take the bus. Take a cab. Take the shuttle that the event goers take.

The issue with your space being given away is between you and your parking company.

Why should Tulsa'a bread and butter workers have to make special arrangements?  Let the event planners arrange for transportation from remote lots.

I agree that the  parking companys need to keep paid-for spaces for the payer.

Tulsa's workers are responsible for getting themselves to work. Just like workers in major cities respond to traffic/congestion/lack of parking by finding other ways of getting to work, Tulsans will have to get to work despite the traffic.

If people are gonna get their panties in a wad this much over a little congestion, maybe they should just take a vacation day on the rare occasion that a major arena event happens during a workday.

A little congestion? 2 people I work with turned around and went home after sitting in traffic for over an hour, 1 sat in traffic on the BA within site of the Denver exit for over and hour and most people who arrive before 8am didn't show until 9am or after.

The planning for this was horrible. Maybe the shuttles would help, but someone better make it known that they exist. In my opinion the people responsible did a piss poor job of planning this event and getting the word out to let people know how they could get to the arena and where to park or catch a ride.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

Tulsa's workers are responsible for getting themselves to work. Just like workers in major cities respond to traffic/congestion/lack of parking by finding other ways of getting to work, Tulsans will have to get to work despite the traffic.

[/quote]

Workers in major cities have to deal with congestion and lack of parking every day. They also have more and better options than many Tulsans for getting to work.  

Just another reason I did not include downtown Tulsa the last time I was looking for a job.

[Double A]

LOL funny! This cracks me up.

[pfox]

They should have taken the light rail.  Problem solved.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by pfox

They should have taken the light rail.  Problem solved.

Just what Tulsa needs, a light rail mafia like Portland's. Kathy Taylor can be Tulsa's Neil Goldschmidt. She's already shown a predisposition to engage in sweetheart deals for her cronies a la the Ballpark Trust, the TDA/Novus homes screw job and the BOK/Great Plains loan repayment.

[Hometown]

I want BOK Arena busy all the time all year.

Distant remote lots with shuttles outside of downtown proper is not a viable solution.  Dedicated parking and traffic flow changes are needed to make this work.

Now imagine adding ball park traffic.  

You are going to lose regulars that can't find their regular parking spots.  You are going to anger and inconvenience downtown workers.  You are going to see an increase in the cost to park downtown.

It's not the end of the world, we just need to finish what we started.  There are places close by that would work for Arena and Ball Park parking.