New Testaments being handed out at schools?

[tulsascoot]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

The school system presents liberal atheistic garbage to the students all day long (yes even in Oklahoma). A little Bible reading is probably the only thing that keeps some of them from going crazy.

"liberal atheistic garbage" You are talking about science, aren't you?

I little bible reading keeps them brainwashed.

[MDepr2007]

If it's TPS they probably can't read it anyway...

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

If it's TPS they probably can't read it anyway...

Didn't BA and Union get added to the government watch list for bad schools a month or so back?  My son's TPS school is not on the list, and actually above the 80% mark for reading.  I'm guessing you've had no contact with TPS.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

FOTD, it is not unconstitutional.  It is unconstitutional for a public school to promote a religion - exactly where that line is drawn is a subject of much and ongoing debate.  HOWEVER, if a passive 3rd party hands out books it is probably not over the line.  

UNLESS, they actively exclude other groups from doing so (ie. they requested the same right and agreed similar terms and were denied). In which the school is being selective on which religious message it will allow to be promoted and hence, it is encouraging a particular religion.  Also, generally, during school hours such activities are frowned upon - but it would not make it per se unconstitutional.

And from a personal vantage; I have no problem with it so long as others are free to hand out materials also.  This includes Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Atheists, and so on.  If you are free to hand out a book proclaiming your god(s), someone else should have the same right or even hand out materials proclaiming there are no gods at all.  Similarly, I'd be interested to see if this is a "public forum" for distribution of other information to the kids.

Seems like an invitation of trouble to me.
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While on the subject, my son comes home frequently from public schools and tells Billy/Johnny told him something or other about Jesus.  I just chuckle, but imagine how pissed parents would be if some kid told their snowflake that Mohamed was the last and greatest prophet of God and his word was more enlightened than Jesus.  Most people are happy to have religion in school, so long as it is theirs.

OK. Then the devil will be distributing pamphlets promoting the end of civilization in 2012 based on Aztec and Mayan teachings.

That oughta scare the Jesus out of those intolerant kids.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

FOTD, it is not unconstitutional.  It is unconstitutional for a public school to promote a religion - exactly where that line is drawn is a subject of much and ongoing debate.  HOWEVER, if a passive 3rd party hands out books it is probably not over the line.  

UNLESS, they actively exclude other groups from doing so (ie. they requested the same right and agreed similar terms and were denied). In which the school is being selective on which religious message it will allow to be promoted and hence, it is encouraging a particular religion.  Also, generally, during school hours such activities are frowned upon - but it would not make it per se unconstitutional.

And from a personal vantage; I have no problem with it so long as others are free to hand out materials also.  This includes Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Atheists, and so on.  If you are free to hand out a book proclaiming your god(s), someone else should have the same right or even hand out materials proclaiming there are no gods at all.  Similarly, I'd be interested to see if this is a "public forum" for distribution of other information to the kids.

Seems like an invitation of trouble to me.
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While on the subject, my son comes home frequently from public schools and tells Billy/Johnny told him something or other about Jesus.  I just chuckle, but imagine how pissed parents would be if some kid told their snowflake that Mohamed was the last and greatest prophet of God and his word was more enlightened than Jesus.  Most people are happy to have religion in school, so long as it is theirs.

OK. Then the devil will be distributing pamphlets promoting the end of civilization in 2012 based on Aztec and Mayan teachings.

That oughta scare the Jesus out of those intolerant kids.

After all the be tolerent of others and other BS that is pushed and promoted...  They just go and kill themselves when they can't deal with the real World that is different than what is portrayed by adults in school

[Quinton]

quote:Originally posted by stymied

My son attending public schools brought home 3 new testaments from school the other day.  He said they were distributing them to kids who wanted them.  I pressed more as this concerned me.  He said that they were distributing them from within the doors, as if they were set up at a table or something in the cafeteria.  This was on Wednesday, which was when some of the kids locally participated at "meet you at the flagpole."  I thought the meet you at the flagpole thing is supposed to take place outside of school and before school starts.  So my question is why would anyone be distributing new testaments inside the school during school hours?  I called the school and they said they permit the Gideons to do this.  They said they (the school) does not distribute them, but the students are permitted to approach them and take the books.  I asked if they permit Catholics, Jews, Mormons, or Muslims to do the same and they said no.  So how can an institution claim to be secular if they are permitted to pick and chose which religions set up tables to distribute doctrine in the cafeteria?

He said they were distributing them to kids who wanted them.


That would seem to be the key.KIDS WHO WANTED THEM

[carltonplace]

Which is fine as long as there is a stack of old testaments, the torah, koran, puranas etcetera for kids that want them.

[sgrizzle]

"The Gideons" are over 100 years old and handing out bibles in dozens of languages and near 200 countries. They do so peacefully and without incident. They also sell greeting cards which I never quite understood.

Most other religious groups do not have a Gideon's equivalent. The Mormon's offer the Book of Mormon for free, but ironically they give you a new testament with it many times. Scientologists will gladly sell you a copy of Dianetics. I've even had a Hare Krishna sell me a book in the Best Buy parking lot.

The point is, the school administration knows what they are getting into with the Gideons. From what I've seen the Gideons are not pushy, will follow all regulations and not approach people. Likely they are just following the old Schoolteacher rule, "If you're bringing that into class you need to bring enough for everybody."

[FOTD]

Thank gawd these chillin's can't vote. There might have been bumper stickers on the inside of those babels.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080929_13_A7_WESTBE905894

Pastors endorse candidates in challenge to IRS rules

"Hice said, "To say the church can't deal with moral and societal issues if it enters into the political arena is just wrong, it's unconstitutional."


This country has already suffered enough at the hands of the "god's on our side" crew.


Abide by the rules you theists! You won't go to hell (we don't want you) but you will lose your 5013c status!

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Thank gawd these chillin's can't vote. There might have been bumper stickers on the inside of those babels.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080929_13_A7_WESTBE905894

Pastors endorse candidates in challenge to IRS rules

"Hice said, "To say the church can't deal with moral and societal issues if it enters into the political arena is just wrong, it's unconstitutional."


This country has already suffered enough at the hands of the "god's on our side" crew.


Abide by the rules you theists! You won't go to hell (we don't want you) but you will lose your 5013c status!

... and MSNBC just reported that 35 pastors nationwide are known to have done this. To the devil, this is simple: They lose their tax-exempt status, period. Satan would feel the same if it were Obama-Biden; The devil has to abide by IRS rules, and so should everyone else.

Pastors defy law, back candidates from pulpit Pastor Luke Emrich prepared his sermon this week knowing his remarks could invite an investigation by the Internal Revenue Service.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26930425/from/ET/

[azbadpuppy]

Public schools are an inappropriate forum to be handing out religious materials of any kind, and apparently the federal courts agree:

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/13570492.html

Decisions about religion should be up to the parents, not school board members.

If I were a parent with children in this school I would be contacting the ACLU immediately.

[Quinton]

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

[RecycleMichael]

"Better mad with the world than wise alone"

Baltazar Gracian

[DolfanBob]

My stepson brought one home and told me they were passing them out at School. My first reaction was that they should be passing out magnifying glasses also with that eye straining small print. I have no real problem with this because I know that it is a book of positive Christian learning. But I do have a problem when everybody of other non positive faiths start screaming that they want equal exposure to my child. I feel they do not need to know about so many virgins they will be given upon killing the infidels of this Earth and other faiths. But thats just me.

[FOTD]

Why are people here so adverse to open discussion about religion?

They cling to it like it's sacred.....but they don't show the same concern for those who are different.