The Bailout

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

It's been pointed out Democratic 'leadership' asked the House to vote on this WITHOUT EVEN LETTING THEM READ THE THING!

...no wonder if failed.

I'm sure Nancy's little pre-vote 'pep' speech didn't help much, stated to be overly partisan. Can't wait to hear that one.

I'll summarize it for you.  Democrats good, Bush bad, give us your money.

The devil advocates you change "Bush" to "McCain".....

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Umm--who just voted down the bill?  I don't give a sh** what Pelosi said (I haven't watched it).  You don't risk your country as "pay back".  

The vote against the bill can be explained either one of two ways:

1.  They never planned to back the bill.  Knowing that there would be horrible economic repercussions, they decided to try to politicize the vote by killing the bill and blaming a democrat.

2.  They did plan to back the bill, but because they are so petty and insecure, they decided to risk the American economy, not to mention the global one, and changed their mind when someone made a speech.  


If they really thought it was a bad bill, why then don't they have the guts to say it?  Why are they blaming their vote on someone else?  If they thought the bill was necessary, why in the world would they vote against it?

Could we get some adults in the House?

It was clear from speeches given on the House floor today that the bill wasn't popular.  The speaker knew it wasn't going to pass before they had the vote.  It was being reported ALL day that the bill wasn't going to pass.

Even if I believed those were the only two choices, you fail to give a reason why 40% of democrats voted against the bill.

I don't recall a SINGLE democrat who voted against the bill speaking out against the bill.

Why are you overlooking your party?

If they knew it wasn't going to pass, why did they need to blame it on a speech?  Why not just admit it?  Just looking for a scapegoat?

It was stupid for both parties to vote against it.

It was childish and petty for the REPUBLICANS to blame it on a speech.  Nothing more than ridiculous political posturing.

[bbriscoe]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Umm--who just voted down the bill?  I don't give a sh** what Pelosi said (I haven't watched it).  You don't risk your country as "pay back".  

The vote against the bill can be explained either one of two ways:

1.  They never planned to back the bill.  Knowing that there would be horrible economic repercussions, they decided to try to politicize the vote by killing the bill and blaming a democrat.

2.  They did plan to back the bill, but because they are so petty and insecure, they decided to risk the American economy, not to mention the global one, and changed their mind when someone made a speech.  


If they really thought it was a bad bill, why then don't they have the guts to say it?  Why are they blaming their vote on someone else?  If they thought the bill was necessary, why in the world would they vote against it?

Could we get some adults in the House?

It was clear from speeches given on the House floor today that the bill wasn't popular.  The speaker knew it wasn't going to pass before they had the vote.  It was being reported ALL day that the bill wasn't going to pass.

Even if I believed those were the only two choices, you fail to give a reason why 40% of democrats voted against the bill.

I don't recall a SINGLE democrat who voted against the bill speaking out against the bill.

Why are you overlooking your party?

If they knew it wasn't going to pass, why did they need to blame it on a speech?  Why not just admit it?  Just looking for a scapegoat?

It was stupid for both parties to vote against it.

It was childish and petty for the REPUBLICANS to blame it on a speech.  Nothing more than ridiculous political posturing.

It was also pretty stupid for Barney Frank to blame the Republicans for its defeat.  95 Democrats voted against it too.  The Republicans have already been thrown out of the majority, so how much can you really blame on them?  There is no filibuster in the House so if the majority sticks together, the minority is irrelevant.  The majority party has to take responsibility.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

It's been pointed out Democratic 'leadership' asked the House to vote on this WITHOUT EVEN LETTING THEM READ THE THING!

...no wonder if failed.

I'm sure Nancy's little pre-vote 'pep' speech didn't help much, stated to be overly partisan. Can't wait to hear that one.

Uh, it was posted online last night.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Umm--who just voted down the bill?  I don't give a sh** what Pelosi said (I haven't watched it).  You don't risk your country as "pay back".  

The vote against the bill can be explained either one of two ways:

1.  They never planned to back the bill.  Knowing that there would be horrible economic repercussions, they decided to try to politicize the vote by killing the bill and blaming a democrat.

2.  They did plan to back the bill, but because they are so petty and insecure, they decided to risk the American economy, not to mention the global one, and changed their mind when someone made a speech.  


If they really thought it was a bad bill, why then don't they have the guts to say it?  Why are they blaming their vote on someone else?  If they thought the bill was necessary, why in the world would they vote against it?

Could we get some adults in the House?

It was clear from speeches given on the House floor today that the bill wasn't popular.  The speaker knew it wasn't going to pass before they had the vote.  It was being reported ALL day that the bill wasn't going to pass.

Even if I believed those were the only two choices, you fail to give a reason why 40% of democrats voted against the bill.

I don't recall a SINGLE democrat who voted against the bill speaking out against the bill.

Why are you overlooking your party?

If they knew it wasn't going to pass, why did they need to blame it on a speech?  Why not just admit it?  Just looking for a scapegoat?

It was stupid for both parties to vote against it.

It was childish and petty for the REPUBLICANS to blame it on a speech.  Nothing more than ridiculous political posturing.

Absolutely.

Well,
We'll soon see if Bernanke/Paulsons predictions are accurate.
If so, we should see many large bankruptcies in the next 8 weeks.

It's amazing to watch businesses become insolvent over issues of liquidity when their underlying operations are doing fine.
The saddest part is Main Street does not realize what's coming their way. Trickle down disaster?

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Umm--who just voted down the bill?  I don't give a sh** what Pelosi said (I haven't watched it).  You don't risk your country as "pay back".  

The vote against the bill can be explained either one of two ways:

1.  They never planned to back the bill.  Knowing that there would be horrible economic repercussions, they decided to try to politicize the vote by killing the bill and blaming a democrat.

2.  They did plan to back the bill, but because they are so petty and insecure, they decided to risk the American economy, not to mention the global one, and changed their mind when someone made a speech.  


If they really thought it was a bad bill, why then don't they have the guts to say it?  Why are they blaming their vote on someone else?  If they thought the bill was necessary, why in the world would they vote against it?

Could we get some adults in the House?

It was clear from speeches given on the House floor today that the bill wasn't popular.  The speaker knew it wasn't going to pass before they had the vote.  It was being reported ALL day that the bill wasn't going to pass.

Even if I believed those were the only two choices, you fail to give a reason why 40% of democrats voted against the bill.

I don't recall a SINGLE democrat who voted against the bill speaking out against the bill.

Why are you overlooking your party?

If they knew it wasn't going to pass, why did they need to blame it on a speech?  Why not just admit it?  Just looking for a scapegoat?

It was stupid for both parties to vote against it.

It was childish and petty for the REPUBLICANS to blame it on a speech.  Nothing more than ridiculous political posturing.

It was also childish for Pelosi to get up and give her partisan rant before such a vote. Political posturing has no boundaries; democrat or republican.

[FOTD]

Scapegoat Pelosi and you miss the point or are avoiding the culprit.....McCain't opened this whole fiasco last week for another failed Hail Mary and so it's third down long and your potty is gonna get slammed....hard. The incumbants always get the heave hoe in bad times.....so what's going to happen in November?

[waterboy]

I'm not afraid to say why 1/3 of the Democrats voted against it while 2/3 or Republicans voted against it. Leadership of both parties agreed to cover their butts by having half of each party voting in favor of the republican proposed, democrat adjusted bill. That prevented both sides from attacking their opponents as having passed the unpopular bailout. They all had cover.

The republicans were rumored to be reneging on the deal. Their leadership could not rope the fiscal conservatives in to the deal and it became obvious this morning it wouldn't pass. That left Democrats holding the bag for its passage and being blamed in elections back home for siding with Bush. They refused and began their retreat. Pelosi's speech reflected her anger at the eminent collapse and was not the cause of it.

They're all nitwits. Playing politics while Rome burns.

[Rico]

There is a far more simple reason why the "Bailout" failed....

"The Front Fell Off"

[bokworker]

Rico... unfortunately this boat was made of paper.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I'm not afraid to say why 1/3 of the Democrats voted against it while 2/3 or Republicans voted against it. Leadership of both parties agreed to cover their butts by having half of each party voting in favor of the republican proposed, democrat adjusted bill. That prevented both sides from attacking their opponents as having passed the unpopular bailout. They all had cover.

The republicans were rumored to be reneging on the deal. Their leadership could not rope the fiscal conservatives in to the deal and it became obvious this morning it wouldn't pass. That left Democrats holding the bag for its passage and being blamed in elections back home for siding with Bush. They refused and began their retreat. Pelosi's speech reflected her anger at the eminent collapse and was not the cause of it.

They're all nitwits. Playing politics while Rome burns.

The republicans that voted against this bill didn't propose the bill that they voted on today.  The Admin proposed the original bill and this Admin ain't been Republican for a while now...[]

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

Rico... unfortunately this boat was made of paper.

Damned straight.

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I'm not afraid to say why 1/3 of the Democrats voted against it while 2/3 or Republicans voted against it. Leadership of both parties agreed to cover their butts by having half of each party voting in favor of the republican proposed, democrat adjusted bill. That prevented both sides from attacking their opponents as having passed the unpopular bailout. They all had cover.

The republicans were rumored to be reneging on the deal. Their leadership could not rope the fiscal conservatives in to the deal and it became obvious this morning it wouldn't pass. That left Democrats holding the bag for its passage and being blamed in elections back home for siding with Bush. They refused and began their retreat. Pelosi's speech reflected her anger at the eminent collapse and was not the cause of it.

They're all nitwits. Playing politics while Rome burns.

The republicans that voted against this bill didn't propose the bill that they voted on today.  The Admin proposed the original bill and this Admin ain't been Republican for a while now...[]

So now your going to throw the Republican Party under the bus just to cover your tracks?   Isn't that what all Republicans do instead of trying to change what they perceive as wrong.

[joiei]

quote:
Michelle Malkin called it a "crap sandwich". [}:)]

She ought to know, Michelle sure serves up enough of it.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by swake
Constitution of the United States

Section 2

Clause 1:

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.


Now, There may be a couple of reps who are not contested, but that is rare.

Are you really this dense?

I know that half the House is up and that all of them voted one way or the other.  

READ THE FOLLOWING VERY CAREFULLY:

I was asking how many of those up for reelection, voted AGAINST the bill.  Asked another way, did anyone up for reelection vote FOR the bill?

Jeebus, are you really a lawyer?

The WHOLE house is up. Every election cycle. Two year terms, it's in that little quote I gave you.