New Hotel Proposed Across from Arena

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

It is tricky, when you add a detail it can throw off the balance and make you want to add some other detail in another spot. You either have to leave this one alone, add just a smidge, or tweak up some other areas for balance. Seems that if you were going to tweak up the design a bit, you would either add some more art-deco suggestions or shift gears towards more contemporary.

Here are some other deco "variations". I also like the "topper" ideas suggested in the new art-deco buildings on the bottom left and right.



Some other contemporary deco stuff.

Thanks!  Great study!  These are now hanging on our Architect's wall. []

Here's a little more detail.  Remember this building will change significantly as the space programming and architectural needs of the hotel and retailers are satisfied, but the style will continue to evolve in the right direction.

[TheLofts@120]

Gaspar

For the last year we have been pursuing a number of potential hotel concepts for the downtown area.  Most recently, we brought the Courtyard Marriott to the Atlas Life building and are pursuing two more potentials.  

If Mr. Raskin is still looking to secure a hotel component for that site, we have a couple of hotel flags that we feel would do very well in that particular space and offer Tulsa something that is unique and not available in Oklahoma at this time.

If you or Mr. Raskin are interested, we would enjoy talking to you about the possibilities.  You can contact Cecilia Wilkins with W3 Development, LLC at 918-902-8959

[sgrizzle]

The second property JLL has put forth, fintube, is currently open for bids and closing soon. Apparently there has been a lot of interest in it as well and we should hear more in a few weeks or so.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The second property JLL has put forth, fintube, is currently open for bids and closing soon. Apparently there has been a lot of interest in it as well and we should hear more in a few weeks or so.

Would make a nice farmer's market like they have in Broken Arrow now.  The building is a strong steel structure with a bad skin.  The building itself is intact and structurally sound.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by TheLofts@120

Gaspar

For the last year we have been pursuing a number of potential hotel concepts for the downtown area.  Most recently, we brought the Courtyard Marriott to the Atlas Life building and are pursuing two more potentials.  

If Mr. Raskin is still looking to secure a hotel component for that site, we have a couple of hotel flags that we feel would do very well in that particular space and offer Tulsa something that is unique and not available in Oklahoma at this time.

If you or Mr. Raskin are interested, we would enjoy talking to you about the possibilities.  You can contact Cecilia Wilkins with W3 Development, LLC at 918-902-8959

He will call you this afternoon or tomorrow morning.  I believe he has a commitment from one chain, but he said he would call.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The second property JLL has put forth, fintube, is currently open for bids and closing soon. Apparently there has been a lot of interest in it as well and we should hear more in a few weeks or so.

wow, that is great news.

[Gaspar]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

That pic isn't showing up

[Gaspar]

Should work now.

[sgrizzle]

Ahh.. much better. How much longer until you superimpose it into a real image of downtown? I think that would look cool. Also, if you do that, do a "night" version.

[cannon_fodder]

The hotel looks really good Gaspar.  Great renderings.

It might be advantageous for future projects to more fully render the BOk Center... or is keeping it lesser to not draw attention on purpose.  Or simply too much work.  Just a thought, but it looks good.

I hope it gets on track and isn't scuttled by TDA.

[Hoss]

I really like that design.  It incorporates the best of old Tulsa design in it.

I think it will be challenging; that parcel has a pretty steep downsloping grade from east to west.  It favored the arena.  I'm curious to see a profile and how the slope is incorporated into the construction.

[SXSW]

I like the massing model you've created but explain some things to me
1.  Where is the main entrance to the hotel in the rendering, on 3rd or on Cheyenne?  I personally think 3rd would be the best place for a grand entrance to both the hotel and retail/restaurant space.  Is there another entrance on Denver?

2.  Is the mass at the corner of 3rd and Cheyenne the parking garage?  If so why not move the garage to 2nd and Cheyenne and have the hotel rise at the more important 3rd and Cheyenne corner?

3.  I like that you've included retail/restaurant space along Denver.  What kind of potential tenants are you thinking for this area?  Some type of rooftop patio element for a restaurant/bar would be awesome here.

As far as design goes, I stayed at a hotel in Seattle recently called the Pan Pacific that was exceptional.  It's a good example of how a hotel (and this case a condo tower as well) can effectively take up an entire block and mix together retail/restaurants while hiding parking.  Here is a pic I took, the colors of which are similar to your rendering with balconies and lots of glass:


And another which shows a brick "base" which would be appropriate in downtown Tulsa with our abundance of 2-3 story brick buildings and then either brick or another high quality material on the upper floors (I personally think sand colored brick, like some of our Art Deco gems, would look amazing).  Again lots of glass, balconies, and setbacks with some "Deco" detailing.  Some aluminum/steel elements would also be interesting as a nod to the adjacent BOK Center, and would give it a more contemporary look:

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Ahh.. much better. How much longer until you superimpose it into a real image of downtown? I think that would look cool. Also, if you do that, do a "night" version.

Very soon.

[SXSW]

Here is another pic I found showing the whole development with retail at street level (and a Whole Foods!):


Another example of nice massing, setbacks, and materials in this case brick and glass.  I like the rooftop terrace, would be great over the retail portion of the project:


Maybe you can input your rendering into one of the fabulous aerials Bill Cobb has taken of our beautiful downtown with the BOK Center: