New Hotel Proposed Across from Arena

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Things are progressing nicely.  We await the completion of the feasibility study.  

No Inteller, it will not be a Hampton Inn.  

well, you better tell the mayor's borrowed planning buddy that.  He was quoted on the news saying to that effect about a week ago....channel 2.

Yes we know.  Mr. Crowley has some excellent ideas in the works, and feels that the price-point of a Hampton is all that the area will support, but we will be presenting a hotel concept soon that we believe he will be able to support.  

No, it won't be a Four Seasons, but will represent a far higher class concept than a Hampton Inn at a similar price-point.

[cannon_fodder]

Ritz?  Waldorf?  One of them there Dubai towers?  [^]

[bacjz00]

My bet is on a Hilton or Westin

[RecycleMichael]

I am hoping it is a Yotel.

http://www.yotel.com/

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am hoping it is a Yotel.

http://www.yotel.com/

Wow!  That's like a train-station locker with a toilet.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am hoping it is a Yotel.

http://www.yotel.com/

Wow!  That's like a train-station locker with a toilet.

Yea, but not quiet as classy. That guy has an unnatural affinity for purple.

[carltonplace]

Gaspar any updates on this?

[cannon_fodder]

I heard a rumor from a reliable source that no hotel will be coming to downtown Tulsa for the next couple of years at least.  I guess the metrics just don't show a demand for one.  DoubleTree is for sale, AdamsMark is not having the occupancy they wanted, and the old Ramada hasn't improved at all.  Coupled with a poor credit market no one will loan money for a downtown Tulsa hotel.

I reiterate my prediction that Tulsa will pay to tear down the old city hall.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I heard a rumor from a reliable source that no hotel will be coming to downtown Tulsa for the next couple of years at least.  I guess the metrics just don't show a demand for one.  DoubleTree is for sale, AdamsMark is not having the occupancy they wanted, and the old Ramada hasn't improved at all.  Coupled with a poor credit market no one will loan money for a downtown Tulsa hotel.

I reiterate my prediction that Tulsa will pay to tear down the old city hall.

Agreed on all counts.  We'll be VERY lucky to see any new hotels downtown Tulsa in less than 2 years.

[sgrizzle]

Mayo Hotel
Courtyard Marriott

Those are both in the next two years. I believe the one by the ballpark is still a go as well since it is supposed to provide for visiting teams, entertainers, players, etc.

[cannon_fodder]

I was specifically thinking about the 2 locations near the BOk Center when I heard this comment.  Perhaps I misconstrued it and/or they did not mean hotels already funded.  

I would still be surprised if the ballpark got a new hotel in the first phase of development.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Mayo Hotel
Courtyard Marriott

Those are both in the next two years. I believe the one by the ballpark is still a go as well since it is supposed to provide for visiting teams, entertainers, players, etc.

I should have specified I meant other than those two.  But, now that you mention it.... any updates available on either of those?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Mayo Hotel
Courtyard Marriott

Those are both in the next two years. I believe the one by the ballpark is still a go as well since it is supposed to provide for visiting teams, entertainers, players, etc.

I should have specified I meant other than those two.  But, now that you mention it.... any updates available on either of those?

Mayo Hotel is under construction. When I went by thursday it looked like they were adding some sort of exterior scaffolding/left to the west side. There is already a construction lift on the north side. Every floor has construction documents on the windows detailing the work needed for those areas. Look like it's pretty full-bore.

Atlas Life I haven't seen anything other than tenants being evicted to make room. I heard there was some signs of construction in the back alley but haven't looked.

Mayo Building is also hot-and-heavy in construction.

[TheArtist]

Its really a shame we are getting the baseball stadium right during the hot and heavy of an economic meltdown. That really just pulls the rug out from under the potential "energy" that getting a new ballpark would bring to the area. Otherwise we would definitely see development quickly going in around it. You know, on all those other downtown proposals I kept saying lets do what ever it takes to try to make it work and get going on it, we have been riding the wave of good times for too long and its gonna end soon. People were like, oooh be patient, lets wait for something better. Well here we are, true to Tulsa form, we argued and piddled away the good times. If the city had played hard ball, got all that property, had donors step up, etc. like they did to get this going, for the East End thing, It would have likely happened in some form or another. Same with the development on the west side of the river. We would see buildings in the air right now. Also, what happened with the guy that was wanting to build the mixed use building and hotel by this new ballpark? In this economic climate he may not be able to do anything anywhere downtown. They may end up wishing they had let him do his thing when the momentum was there. At this point they may get a small hotel, but not the rest. This town definitely has a way of squandering away opportunity and putting itself in the position of later having to go to extraordinary measures to get anything at all done. We know that we are behind the curve on economic ups and downs. Yet when things start going good for us we think we are invincible or something, despite the beginnings of the downturn rumblings in other parts of the country. By the time we are done squandering away opportunity and get the ball started rolling, the economic downturn hits us here. We need to grasp the reigns and run with it when the good times START, not end lol.

During the last, at least 3 years, we have had glimmers of potential developments and I have been so frustrated that we didnt do more to get them to happen. Do we wand the core to revitalize or not? Because during those last several years while we have been looking at the core and squabbling, I keep looking behind me at the rest of the country and seeing a train wreck headed our way, then turn back to see us fighting and not moving. Oooh it would be too difficult to get that going, or they were asking for too many concessions, etc. etc. But then the train hits us, "Oh my where did that come from?[:O][B)] duh" And then what do we do? We have to work just as hard and do difficult things, make concessions only for far less result. Its just absurd.

[carltonplace]

Artist I feel the same crushing defeat as you. There are so many plans that build excitment only to be put on the shelf and forgotten about. So many announcements that lead to nothing.

Maybe it's time to try something smaller.

I have to credit JMBlake for this idea (he has great vision).

What if in the long term plan for East End we wanted retail, residential, and entertainment with a small ammusement park, bowling, movies, theater etc.

Why couldn't we start with a small amusment park? Couldn't we use some of the city land there and create a longer running version of Oktober Fest ("Summer Fest?") and put in some temporary family entertainment? If it takes off it could get developer attention. I don't think it would be very difficult and the city could make some money off of unused land.

What about a community garden? Art show?