What is it about Obama that these people like?

[iplaw]

Louis Farrakhan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

William Ayers:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Ahmed Yousef the PM of Hamas:

We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election." Why? "He has a vision to change America."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020315.php

Che Guevara for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRCeBSOOEM&feature=related

I especially like the Che flag behind her.  I guess even dead communists can still find a voice in America...

Let the flaming and justification begin in 3...2...1.....

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Louis Farrakhan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

William Ayers:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Ahmed Yousef the PM of Hamas:

We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election." Why? "He has a vision to change America."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020315.php

Che Guevara for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRCeBSOOEM&feature=related

I especially like the Che flag behind her.  I guess even dead communists can still find a voice in America...

Let the flaming and justification begin in 3...2...1.....

I'm just waiting for Iplaw to stand up and call Obama 'an Arab'.

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As if Obama actively sought out these people's approval.  []

[iplaw]

Oh...I'm NOT saying he sought their endorsement.  Though I doubt it bothers him that they do.

I'm wondering what it IS about Obama that these scum bags like so much?

[USRufnex]

What is it about McCain these people like?

McCain Volunteer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU9xZ4zcss

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/McCain%20Pre%20Program.mp3

   "I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," [Pastor] Conrad said.

   "And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day,"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html

John Weaver, McCain's former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.

"People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Sen. Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Sen. McCain," Weaver said. "And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive."

"Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda. We should take that agenda on in a robust manner. As a party we should not and must not stand by as the small amount of haters in our society question whether he is as American as the rest of us. Shame on them and shame on us if we allow this to take hold."

But, if it were up to them, such hard-edged tactics are clearly what many in the party base would like to use against Obama.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

What is it about McCain these people like?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/McCain%20Pre%20Program.mp3

   "I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," [Pastor] Conrad said.

   "And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day,"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html

John Weaver, McCain's former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.

"People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Sen. Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Sen. McCain," Weaver said. "And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive."

"Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda. We should take that agenda on in a robust manner. As a party we should not and must not stand by as the small amount of haters in our society question whether he is as American as the rest of us. Shame on them and shame on us if we allow this to take hold."

But, if it were up to them, such hard-edged tactics are clearly what many in the party base would like to use against Obama.

You can blame Rove for it.  His campaign manager (McCain's) comes from the Rovian school.  This time it's gonna backfire.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss



You can blame Rove for it.  His campaign manager (McCain's) comes from the Rovian school.  This time it's gonna backfire.

Yep.  

In the words of rightwing sockpuppet Sarah Palin... YOU BETCHA!

I blame McCain for selling his soul to the devil in the selection of his presidential campaign staff and the use of his VP candidate Sarah Palin as a sort-of Dick Cheney with lipstick...

I want the neocons to take their deserved place in the DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.  I want the same fate for the tactics of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and Co... heck, I'll even reach across the aisle and throw in James Carville...

And now, a link for an article from a magazine IPLAW would never be caught dead reading...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/banks

Dirty Tricks, South Carolina and John McCain
By Ann Banks
January 14, 2008

Eight years ago this month, John McCain took the New Hampshire primary and was favored to win in South Carolina. Had he succeeded, he would likely have thwarted the presidential aspirations of George W. Bush and become the Republican nominee. But Bush strategist Karl Rove came to the rescue with a vicious smear tactic.

Rove invented a uniquely injurious fiction for his operatives to circulate via a phony poll. Voters were asked, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain...if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh.

It worked. Owing largely to the Rove-orchestrated whispering campaign, Bush prevailed in South Carolina and secured the Republican nomination. The rest is history--specifically the tragic and blighted history of our young century. It worked in another way as well. Too shaken to defend himself, McCain emerged from the bruising episode less maverick reformer and more Manchurian candidate.

The former crusader against the Republican establishment has since turned into a Bush-hugging, business-as-usual politician who has backed down from many positions that set him apart from conventional conservatives. Before, McCain supported the separation of church and state; now he wants a Christian in the White House. The confederate flag, which he once considered an offensive symbol, no longer troubles him. And he has come to believe that tax cuts are a good idea.

I don't want to say that McCain sold his soul to the devil, since I believe that religious metaphors have no place in politics. But consider this: shortly after losing the 2000 election, McCain told an interviewer that there must be "a special place in hell" reserved for the rumormongers.

Seven years later, who is running McCain's South Carolina campaign? Charlie Condon, the former State Attorney General who in 2000 helped spread the innuendo targeting Bridget. If you can't beat them, hire them--even if they've launched racist attacks against your own daughter.

Bridget McCain was a seriously ill baby in Mother Teresa's orphanage when Cindy McCain visited and decided to bring her back to the United States for medical treatment in 1991. John and Cindy adopted her not long after. Now 16, Bridget learned of her role in the 2000 campaign only when she Googled herself. According to the New York Times, when McCain entered the current race, Bridget summoned his aides and asked them to pledge that this campaign would be different.

We can't know what reassurances were offered, but Condon doesn't seem to have repented for his role in the 2000 slander. He told the New York Times reporter that he wasn't surprised about the downward spiral of the Bush-McCain race. "Our primaries have a way of doing that," Condon said. "There is a tradition of it, it is accepted behavior, and frankly it works."

[Chicken Little]

What is it that IPLAW likes about Guilt by Association?  Heck, there's no association whatsoever with most of these people, so I guess it's guilt by extrapolation.  Best of luck with that losing strategy...doesn't make you a loser, but it doesn't help, either.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

What is it that IPLAW likes about Guilt by Association?  Heck, there's no association whatsoever with most of these people, so I guess it's guilt by extrapolation.  Best of luck with that losing strategy...doesn't make you a loser, but it doesn't help, either.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this.  I am NOT saying that Obama sought their endorsement.  Nor am I saying anything resembling guilt by association.

Read this VERY SLOWLY:

What is it about Obama that these people like?

IOW, why do terrorist organizations like Hamas prefer Obama?

Not one person has attempted to answer this question.  Plenty of answers to questions not asked though.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss
You can blame Rove for it.  His campaign manager (McCain's) comes from the Rovian school.  This time it's gonna backfire.

I always find it mildly amusing when Democrats or Republicans tell the other side what they should do to win an election.  I think that's evidence enough to avoid whatever advice is being given.

You tell by the reaction from the Obama campaign and its surrogates that this topic has traction, even if it's "negative."

You can always tell when a topic scares the Obama campaign as it's immediately called "a distraction."

Maybe if Obama showed any consistency with his answers about Ayers it wouldn't be an issue at all.  He's handled this just like he did with Rev. Wright.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hoss
You can blame Rove for it.  His campaign manager (McCain's) comes from the Rovian school.  This time it's gonna backfire.

I always find it mildly amusing when Democrats or Republicans tell the other side what they should do to win an election.  I think that's evidence enough to avoid whatever advice is being given.

You tell by the reaction from the Obama campaign and its surrogates that this topic has traction, even if it's "negative."

You can always tell when a topic scares the Obama campaign as it's immediately called "a distraction."

Maybe if Obama showed any consistency with his answers about Ayers it wouldn't be an issue at all.  He's handled this just like he did with Rev. Wright.

You must have Master Karl on speed-dial; whippin' out that Ayers reference.  Most sane people in the world have shown that's a non issue, and he's explained it several times.

You right-wing kooks have selective hearing.

[:O]

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

What is it that IPLAW likes about Guilt by Association?  Heck, there's no association whatsoever with most of these people, so I guess it's guilt by extrapolation.  Best of luck with that losing strategy...doesn't make you a loser, but it doesn't help, either.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this.  I am NOT saying that Obama sought their endorsement.  Nor am I saying anything resembling guilt by association.

Read this VERY SLOWLY:

What is it about Obama that these people like?

IOW, why do terrorist organizations like Hamas prefer Obama?

Not one person has attempted to answer this question.  Plenty of answers to questions not asked though.

Plain and simple.

Because, unlike the Amerika-Amerika-uber-alles republican chest thumping by all the candidates for who could be the biggest militarist at the GOP debates,  Obama is not a warmonger.

That's also why a HUGE MAJORITY of the populations of most of our ALLIES support Obama  (you remember the good ol' days, when America had allies, don't you???)

Your question is BAIT.  And you've always been a master- baiter, Ippy.

These are the same sick tactics your party has been using.....

Hmmm.  Now WHY would John Hagee give an endorsement to John McCain?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss
You must have Master Karl on speed-dial; whippin' out that Ayers reference.  Most sane people in the world have shown that's a non issue, and he's explained it several times.

Yes.  The problem is, every time he answers the question he provides a different answer.  Just like with Rev. Wright.  It only took him about three press conferences to come to a decision about Wright.  I'm guessing it's only going to take him about a half dozen with Ayers.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

What is it that IPLAW likes about Guilt by Association?  Heck, there's no association whatsoever with most of these people, so I guess it's guilt by extrapolation.  Best of luck with that losing strategy...doesn't make you a loser, but it doesn't help, either.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this.  I am NOT saying that Obama sought their endorsement.  Nor am I saying anything resembling guilt by association.

Read this VERY SLOWLY:

What is it about Obama that these people like?

IOW, why do terrorist organizations like Hamas prefer Obama?

Not one person has attempted to answer this question.  Plenty of answers to questions not asked though.

No one has answered your question because it is a stupid question.  Answer this:  why should we care what terrorists say about our election?  Do you base your voting decision on what known criminals are saying?  And if so, how do you know they aren't lying?  

Why is the Ku Klux Klan supporting McCain?  Why are people carrying monkeys with Obama stickers to McCain/Pallin rallies?  Why do McCain supporters claim that Obama is a terrorist/arab/muslim?  Why are so many racist supporting McCain?  Do they know something we don't?

What the crazy lunatic fringe says about the candidates is irrelevant, regardless of which side.  Geez, come up with some real arguments to support McCain.

[iplaw]

quote:No one has answered your question because it is a stupid question.

Then why bother responding?

Don't you have a Palin thread to start somewhere?

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:No one has answered your question because it is a stupid question.

Then why bother responding?

Don't you have a Palin thread to start somewhere?

Don't you need to go pretend your a lawyer?