Why would the rest of the world choose Obama???

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.  

If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image.  Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit.  Popularity can go a long way.

Wouldn't matter to a lot of them, though.  They've labored through 8 years of Bush and isolationalism.  A lot could give a rat's donkey what the rest of world's view is of America.  Sad, really.

[HoneySuckle]

The world would choose Obama because he's intelligent, progressive and he's not another McBush!

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by HoneySuckle

The world would choose Obama because he's intelligent, progressive and he's not another McBush!

Which is why the rest of the country is choosing Obama. We're now running a close race for obscurity with Idaho for McCain support. Well, at least we live above ground here.

edit: Poll Update! OK mullets are now third in line for top obscurity status with a 26.7 pt lead. Idaho spuds slip to 2nd with a 27.2 pt lead. And the leader is...UTAH utes with a whopping 32 pt lead over Obama! Now, what do the three states have in common that would make them erupt in an orgy of support for 8 more years?

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

What's the deal with the Cherokee Barber Shop?

USRufnex brought up the barbershop. The conversation is usually fishing or sports whenever I've gotten my haircut there.  The interior decorations would lead one to believe they are not liberals.

[waterboy]

Actually, its something 5 states have in common. Some of these states are in contention in this election. Some have no choice.

Its the NAU and JBS. Lots of links but check this one. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_/ai_n25154957

Although it is more difficult to get state resolutions introduced and passed in even-numbered years due to fewer states being in session and election-year shortened schedules, the state legislatures in Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Missouri, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Utah have been considering anti-NAU, repeal NAFTA, and anti-illegal-immigration resolutions inspired by the John Birch Society this year. As has become usual in recent years, Utah leads the way with five such resolutions introduced and, so far, the impressive record of three bills passed (anti-NAU in House and Senate and anti-illegal immigration in the Senate), one defeated (repeal NAFTA in the House), and one bill pending (anti-illegal immigration in the House). There's no accident about Utah's successes. Members and allies of the JBS have worked long and hard to build rapport with their state legislators for several years now.

In late February both the Senate and House of South Dakota passed an anti-NAU, anti-NAFTA Superhighway resolution by votes of 24 to 9 and 56 to 13 respectively. With Utah and South Dakota joining Idaho, Montana, and Oklahoma, this means five states have now passed anti-NAU resolutions in both houses during the 2007-2008 time period. The total of states introducing anti-NAU resolutions has risen to 21 for these two years.

Hearings and/or votes on one or more of these NAU, NAFTA, and illegal-immigration resolutions are still scheduled in Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, and New Hampshire. To keep up to date on the status of these state resolutions, see the "Update on the Status of Anti-NAU, Repeal NAFTA, and Anti-Illegal Immigration Resolutions in State Legislatures, 2007/2008" at www.jbs.org /node/3430.

[RecycleMichael]

I always get NAFTA and NASCAR mixed up.

Whenever I drive real fast, I wind up at Wal-Mart.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.  

If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image.  Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit.  Popularity can go a long way.

While I don't necessarily disagree, our security and prosperity should never be sacrificed for popularity around the world.

But if being "popular" involves turning a blind eye to what's going on in Darfur as has been done in the UN for years, or allowing Muslim youth to riot here in the US as was done in France without reprisal, or letting Islamic radicals burn embassies and limit our freedom of speech because of a cartoon strip, or ignore Iran as they continue to build nuclear weapons, count me out...

We don't like playing the part of Nevile Chamberlain, and for good reason.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

What's the deal with the Cherokee Barber Shop?

USRufnex brought up the barbershop. The conversation is usually fishing or sports whenever I've gotten my haircut there.  The interior decorations would lead one to believe they are not liberals.

Understatement of the Year.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.  

If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image.  Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit.  Popularity can go a long way.

Until we tuck tail, and leave a loud sucking sound in the Middle East.

[Derailed]

On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama's fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.

Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.

As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:

Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.

The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.

The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.

Cleveland Leader

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Derailed

On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama's fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.

Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.

As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:

Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.

The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.

The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.

Cleveland Leader

Let's ask McCain about this then, since you seem to be so obsessed with the candidates ties to ACORN.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/13/sigh-mccain-and-his-friends-atacorn/

uh-oh.

[USRufnex]

Wow.  So, will the POWERFUL REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA succeed in demonizing ACORN...

ACORN is the republicans new ACLU.  

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Europe loves Obama because he is less militaristic that McCain, more socialist, less fundamentalist, a better orator and gives off the heir of youth, vibrancy, and change.  

If elected, Obama will certainly be good for our world image.  Which even hardcore Republicans have to admit has taken a huge hit.  Popularity can go a long way.

Until we tuck tail, and leave a loud sucking sound in the Middle East.

Oh, you mean like Nixon "tucked tail" in Vietnam???  

Maybe you didn't get the memo:  Obama said that the Iraq War was a "dumb war, a rash war" ...

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

"After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

...and that we need to destroy Al Caida....

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and (Pakistani) President (Pervez) Musharraf will not act, we will."

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Wow.  So, will the POWERFUL REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA succeed in demonizing ACORN...

ACORN is the republicans new ACLU.  

Demonizing ACORN?  I think they're doing a bang-up job of discrediting themselves without our involvement.

Several of the investigations currently underway were started by democracts, namely the ones in Nevada.

What part of registering Mickey Mouse to vote do you agree with?

[pmcalk]

ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions.  Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised.  But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary.  ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications.  I have registered many people, including people at the fair.  The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity.  That job is for the election board.  Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate.  I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.  

This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system.  Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc....  Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.

But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.