Utica Square Like Place -

[carltonplace]

I'm not sure how much more traffic that intersection can handle. While I agree that a hotel in the area would be nice, we need to find alternate transportation to the automobile to get there.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by tshane250


The situation around Utica Square is similar to the area around the Double Tree at Warren Place.  There are two major hospitals within a mile of Utica Square and the actual amount of employment within a one mile radius of 21st and Utica is just over 17,000 with almost 750 employers.  Compare that to 16,300 employees with almost 600 employers for the one mile radius around 61st and Yale.  Additionally, both locations do not abut a major highway.  So, I see no reason a hotel wouldn't work at Utica Square.

Edit:  I forgot to include all of the touristy things there are around Utica versus 61st and Yale, not to mention proximity to downtown, TU, and even the fairgrounds.

You sound like you have a pretty good hand on the demographics of the area. We should get a team together from these forums and build one.

Artist and Gaspar can work on the renderings. Cannon_Fodder, YoungTulsan, DSJeffries, and I are young enough that we could do some manual labor. Patric could handle the lighting, and RecycleMichael could handle utilities. []

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by tshane250


The situation around Utica Square is similar to the area around the Double Tree at Warren Place.  There are two major hospitals within a mile of Utica Square and the actual amount of employment within a one mile radius of 21st and Utica is just over 17,000 with almost 750 employers.  Compare that to 16,300 employees with almost 600 employers for the one mile radius around 61st and Yale.  Additionally, both locations do not abut a major highway.  So, I see no reason a hotel wouldn't work at Utica Square.

Edit:  I forgot to include all of the touristy things there are around Utica versus 61st and Yale, not to mention proximity to downtown, TU, and even the fairgrounds.

You sound like you have a pretty good hand on the demographics of the area. We should get a team together from these forums and build one.

Artist and Gaspar can work on the renderings. Cannon_Fodder, YoungTulsan, DSJeffries, and I are young enough that we could do some manual labor. Patric could handle the lighting, and RecycleMichael could handle utilities. []

Get me that Helmerich and Payne property and lets get started lol. I bet we could scrounge up a few investors to boot. If there were ever a hotel there on that spot, it would be THE hotel I would tell everyone to go to. Close to many attractions (Cherry Street, downtown, TU Fairgrounds, Philbrook, Woodward et al, Brookside, lots of businesses,hospitals...) is a beautiful area, visitors could walk right across the street to shop and eat, etc. I find it startling that there isnt one there already. It could be Tulsas premier, high end luxury hotel.  

[tshane250]

quote: It could be Tulsas premier, high end luxury hotel.  

I totally agree!

[Ibanez]

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by bigdtottown
[BTW, I also happen to like Steve's Wholesale but I've never tried to decide should I got to Utica or Steve's...not really an apples to apples comparison from a shopping perspective.

Agreed, Utica Square has very little I typically want (that I cannot get somewhere closer to home) whereas Steve's is much more interesting to me. Intended to be apples and oranges.

I also understand that Utica Square is very attractive to alot of other people and I am glad it is there for them.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

The new Super Target development was marketed as a "Utica Square South".  That seems to have changed to the chagrin of the neighborhood behind it.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

There was the one on 101st where Inteller is putting his Target.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

The new Super Target development was marketed as a "Utica Square South".  That seems to have changed to the chagrin of the neighborhood behind it.

Hmmm. What I was thinking about was on the West side of Memorial a bit more South. I could have sworn I saw a sign for it and possibly something on the news about it.

Then again I might have just picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

[sgrizzle]

They are putting a fitness center and some other big box stuff down further down on the west side, but it is not dense, walkable, or urban.

[SXSW]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by tshane250


The situation around Utica Square is similar to the area around the Double Tree at Warren Place.  There are two major hospitals within a mile of Utica Square and the actual amount of employment within a one mile radius of 21st and Utica is just over 17,000 with almost 750 employers.  Compare that to 16,300 employees with almost 600 employers for the one mile radius around 61st and Yale.  Additionally, both locations do not abut a major highway.  So, I see no reason a hotel wouldn't work at Utica Square.

Edit:  I forgot to include all of the touristy things there are around Utica versus 61st and Yale, not to mention proximity to downtown, TU, and even the fairgrounds.

You sound like you have a pretty good hand on the demographics of the area. We should get a team together from these forums and build one.

Artist and Gaspar can work on the renderings. Cannon_Fodder, YoungTulsan, DSJeffries, and I are young enough that we could do some manual labor. Patric could handle the lighting, and RecycleMichael could handle utilities. []

Get me that Helmerich and Payne property and lets get started lol. I bet we could scrounge up a few investors to boot. If there were ever a hotel there on that spot, it would be THE hotel I would tell everyone to go to. Close to many attractions (Cherry Street, downtown, TU Fairgrounds, Philbrook, Woodward et al, Brookside, lots of businesses,hospitals...) is a beautiful area, visitors could walk right across the street to shop and eat, etc. I find it startling that there isnt one there already. It could be Tulsas premier, high end luxury hotel.  

I've been saying that since the H&P building came down several years ago.  PERFECT location for a hotel with upper floor condos right by St. John's and Utica Square, close to Cherry Street/Brookside, and with some amazing downtown views from that spot.  Something tall like 20-25 stories would be great and add to the mini-skyline we have going in Midtown around Utica Square.  There's even that plaza with the fountain right there that would make a nice main entrance.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

I'm not sure how much more traffic that intersection can handle. While I agree that a hotel in the area would be nice, we need to find alternate transportation to the automobile to get there.

Putting the people right next door IS a solution, as they would be in walking distance.  I realize adding a hotel/condos will inevitably add traffic, but it is probably the best solution anyways.

I guess the biggest problem with that area is that it really is filled to capacity, with the exception of the H&P lot.  Once you fill that up, how do you add any more density (without demolishing Swan and Terwilliger homes)?

[SXSW]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

I'm not sure how much more traffic that intersection can handle. While I agree that a hotel in the area would be nice, we need to find alternate transportation to the automobile to get there.

Putting the people right next door IS a solution, as they would be in walking distance.  I realize adding a hotel/condos will inevitably add traffic, but it is probably the best solution anyways.

I guess the biggest problem with that area is that it really is filled to capacity, with the exception of the H&P lot.  Once you fill that up, how do you add any more density (without demolishing Swan and Terwilliger homes)?

There's also the large parking lot on Utica just north of 19th, probably for future hospital expansion though.  Then you have Wendy's, Goldie's, and some medical businesses along 21st...

[YoungTulsan]

That Wendys must make huge bank.  Just think of how lucky you would have to be to have that piece of land for your own eating establishment

[OurTulsa]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

I'm not sure how much more traffic that intersection can handle. While I agree that a hotel in the area would be nice, we need to find alternate transportation to the automobile to get there.

Putting the people right next door IS a solution, as they would be in walking distance.  I realize adding a hotel/condos will inevitably add traffic, but it is probably the best solution anyways.

I guess the biggest problem with that area is that it really is filled to capacity, with the exception of the H&P lot.  Once you fill that up, how do you add any more density (without demolishing Swan and Terwilliger homes)?

There are some small spots along Utica Av. going north but I think you could also fill in Utica Square.  There are some parking lots on the southern edge that could easily accommodate multi-story structures filled with office/residential space and retail at the ground level.  I can also see some of the structures that make up Utica Sq. being redeveloped.  The bank at the corner: Goodbye.  I don't see a drive-thru bank as an efficient use of land and the highest and best use of real estate at that corner.  Utica Sq. could have their signature building on that corner.