Utica Square Like Place -

[SXSW]

I'd rather see an intersection "improvement" instead of widening at 21st & Utica.  Maybe brick pavers at the crosswalks or better lighting?  That could be more of an enticement for Utica Square to build an anchor there at that corner instead of having a drive-thru bank that is setback from the intersection.  Would also be nice for a hotel or whatever ends up going in at the vacant H&P property.  That is a very urban-feeling intersection that could be even better.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

By the way, you guys say 21st & Utica would need infrastructure improvements.  21st & Utica, 21st from Peoria to Lewis, and Utica from 21st to Terwilliger are all projects that will be done under the streets plan coming up for vote.

Didn't they just do that?  Like 2-3 years ago?

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

By the way, you guys say 21st & Utica would need infrastructure improvements.  21st & Utica, 21st from Peoria to Lewis, and Utica from 21st to Terwilliger are all projects that will be done under the streets plan coming up for vote.

Didn't they just do that?  Like 2-3 years ago?

There's been large construction projects on the NE and SW corners plus the office/condo building South of Utica Square so I'm sure some of the digging was to improve the infrastructure.

[joiei]

The bank on the corner is the bank that I use most and I go through the drive through at least twice a week.  Where are you planning on moving that branch to.  A lot of merchants at Utica Square use that branch.  

That parking lot on the southeast corner of the Utica Square property is used for employee parking.  And parking can be a problem, especially at lunchtime almost anywhere at U.S. except maybe on the backside of the old Dillards.  A lot of people seem to like to eat lunch at Olive Garden.

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

By the way, you guys say 21st & Utica would need infrastructure improvements.  21st & Utica, 21st from Peoria to Lewis, and Utica from 21st to Terwilliger are all projects that will be done under the streets plan coming up for vote.

Didn't they just do that?  Like 2-3 years ago?

I think they just had the street blocked for building construction at St Johns.  They didn't tear up any streets for that construction for for the Utica Place construction either.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

The bank on the corner is the bank that I use most and I go through the drive through at least twice a week.  Where are you planning on moving that branch to.  A lot of merchants at Utica Square use that branch.  

That parking lot on the southeast corner of the Utica Square property is used for employee parking.  And parking can be a problem, especially at lunchtime almost anywhere at U.S. except maybe on the backside of the old Dillards.  A lot of people seem to like to eat lunch at Olive Garden.

The bank can stay. Just build in the property above it. For that spot, nothing more than 5  or 6 stories, and yes add a level of parking or two behind it. You know, now that infill is becoming more and more a prospect in Tulsa, we have to get out of our suburban, and even teardown, mindset.  In a city, land and air are both developable, sellable property. That bank has a lot of lucrative property right over its head. Same with those church parking lots downtown. They can keep the parking lots if they want, then sell the property over them... and end up with covered parking to boot lol.

[OurTulsa]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

The bank on the corner is the bank that I use most and I go through the drive through at least twice a week.  Where are you planning on moving that branch to.  A lot of merchants at Utica Square use that branch.  

That parking lot on the southeast corner of the Utica Square property is used for employee parking.  And parking can be a problem, especially at lunchtime almost anywhere at U.S. except maybe on the backside of the old Dillards.  A lot of people seem to like to eat lunch at Olive Garden.

I should have elaborated on my desire to remove the bank from the corner.  I mean to suggest that that corner can accommodate more than just the bank and jewelry shop.  I can see the building replaced (or added on to) with a multi-story structure built up to the corner.  I do think the drive through component is a massive waste of space.  I can see one lane for those who can't get out of their autos but right now that drive through facility is eight lanes wide and takes up as much if not more space in that valuable center as the bank and jewelry shop.

As far as displacing parking and parking shortages in Utica Sq.  I have to reply with my usual: I never have a problem parking.  I go there during lunch and on Saturdays and while sometimes I can't park in front of or near my primary destination I always find a place to park.  Additional buildings could be built over parking or don't have to have a footprint such that they displace gobs of parking.  With the slope on the backside of Utica Sq. I wonder if it would be easier to contstruct over parking.

I'm thinking about adding that mantra to my introduction.  "Hi, my name is OurTulsa, I never have a problem parking.  How are you?"

[carltonplace]

Hi Our Tulsa. My name is obese Tulsan (strange that our last names are so similar)! I bet you don't mind walking from your car to the destination.

You must not be from Tulsa.

It is a Tulsan's God given right to park at ground level by the front door. I think Target should install drive through ailes so I never have to leave my beloved car or use my feet like some sort of sucker.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

Hi Our Tulsa. My name is obese Tulsan (strange that our last names are so similar)! I bet you don't mind walking from your car to the destination.

You must not be from Tulsa.

It is a Tulsan's God given right to park at ground level by the front door. I think Target should install drive through ailes so I never have to leave my beloved car or use my feet like some sort of sucker.

Tulsans think they have a lot of other God given rights in their cars too that don't seem to apply much of anywhere else.  Probably the subject for another thread.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

Cornerstone Creek on the west side of Memorial north of the WalMart complex.
They have a sign up and some dirtwork started. They advertise lifestyle type stuff. I was stopped at the light at 111th and had a chance to write it down so I wouldn't forget.

[Composer]

Does anyone know how well Saks Fifth Avenue does at Utica?  I have always wondered how they did in this market.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Composer

Does anyone know how well Saks Fifth Avenue does at Utica?  I have always wondered how they did in this market.

I rarely go in there, too rich for my blood. But one of my sisters probably buys enough clothes to keep them in good stead. I have always thought that store needed some windows and window displays to attract people in and show some sign of life. Otherwise it just looks like a dead, uninviting block or cave.

 

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

I seem to remember some plans for a Utica Square lite type project on South Memorial. Possibly around the 105th area.

Or was I dreaming?

Cornerstone Creek on the west side of Memorial north of the WalMart complex.
They have a sign up and some dirtwork started. They advertise lifestyle type stuff. I was stopped at the light at 111th and had a chance to write it down so I wouldn't forget.

Yep. I drove by there this weekend to see if there was anything to my memory. Saw that development and one a bit North, just across from the Spirit Event Center complex, named Avalon.

[SXSW]

quote:Originally posted by Composer

Does anyone know how well Saks Fifth Avenue does at Utica?  I have always wondered how they did in this market.

I've heard it does well, but it probably helps that it's not as large as some of the Saks in the big cities.  Someone told me once they get a subsidy from Utica Square to stay open, not sure if that's true or not though.  I would imagine if Nordstrom was to ever open a Tulsa store it would be at the river project in Jenks, if that ever gets off the ground.  I doubt Tulsa could support more than a Saks in midtown and a Nordstrom in Jenks, in addition to 2 Dillards' and 2 Macys'.  The local Miss Jackson's in Utica is very similar to Neiman Marcus, albeit smaller and more women's clothing-oriented but just as expensive.

[TulsaEx]

It must do ok.  A few years ago, Saks had a massive restructuring and closed many of their underperforming locations.  Tulsa's store stayed open while much larger markets such as Kansas City and Minneapolis lost their only full-line stores.