The Palin-izing of Joe the Plumber

[guido911]

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDMxYjNmMzBiNDAyYWM0Y2JiZjdjZGVjNGZkNGVhNTM=

But...but...but...Joe doesn't pay his taxes and doesn't have a license.  Does anyone here this much negative chatter about non-payment of taxes by Al Franken, Charlie Rangel or Keith Olberdude?  Of course not.

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Of course not.  It's okay if MY party does it.  Didn't you get the memo?

[USRufnex]

Nice play of the VICTIM card.  Very sweet... []



"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." -- Sarah Palin

"I'm not sorry that we're in Iraq. ... We've liberated another country. I mean, you know, freedom. ... I don't know if you guys are Christians or not, but it's like someone coming to Jesus and becoming saved. These guys have freedom. ... Has it kept us safe? Absolutely. I believe in that 100 percent." -- Joe the Plumber

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"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." -- Sarah Palin

Yeah, boy.  She sounds like some other right-wing religious kooks I've heard before:

"Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph...." -- FDR

"And having thus chosen our course, without guile, and with pure purpose, let us renew our trust in God, and go forward without fear, and with manly hearts." -- Abe Lincoln

"With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own." -- JFK

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[USRufnex]

You missed the point, which is rarely surprising anymore...

Ironic how the right wing likes playing the victim card despite the fact they're in the MAJORITY.... see photo/caption posted above.

[Renaissance]

No, you missed the point.

It's disgusting how the left will tear down anyone who stands in their way.

This guy asked Obama a question.  He tried to participate in democracy.  But the left didn't like his viewpoint, so they got busy digging up dirt and tearing him down.  A private citizen voices his opinion and gets the full-on Daily Kos Hate Treatment.

It's sad, really.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

No, you missed the point.

It's disgusting how the left will tear down anyone who stands in their way.

This guy asked Obama a question.  He tried to participate in democracy.  But the left didn't like his viewpoint, so they got busy digging up dirt and tearing him down.  A private citizen voices his opinion and gets the full-on Daily Kos Hate Treatment.

It's sad, really.

No.  Actually Floyd, the TRUTH is that "Joe the Plumber" was incessantly spoken about by John McCain when he invoked "Joe the Plumber" no less than TWENTY-ONE FRIGGIN' TIMES during last night's  debate!..... he appeared on numerous news/radio programs to exploit his 15 mins of fame... his LIES were told and exploited by Fox News... and this JOE guy misrepresented himself as someone who'd be affected by a 3% rise in income taxes over $250k.... and Obama was gracious enough to speak with him for a long time.... he engaged the guy, respected his point of view, and had a lengthy discussion of "Joe's" concerns... tell me who's lying after viewing the ENTIRE video...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6031110

Once again, Obama is NOT the one with the problem... he engaged a partisan citizen voter who later LIED about his political affiliations while the RIGHT WING MEDIA RAN WITH IT.

The left wing media smelled a RAT... and they were RIGHT.

Obama's Plan is a Socialist Slippery Slope
http://beltwayblips.com/video/joe_the_plumber_obama_s_plan_is_a_socialist_slippery/

Floyd, it's funny you can defend the indefensible yet have been amazingly SILENT when it comes to the Republican ATTACK MACHINE that seeks to tar Obama as a domestic terrorist...

HATE RADIO has always had much more power and a more profound effect on public opinion than anything I've ever read in Daily Kos or Huffington Post...

The last Domestic Terrorists???   Those included Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were right wing zealots, btw.

What if I had shown up at a McCain townhall and pretended to be an "uninsured" citizen who recently had cancer surgery... to make a political argument against him...

Do you think the right wing media/blogosphere wouldn't have pounced on me had Obama invoked my name TWENTY ONE TIMES during the course of a presidential debate?!?

Geez.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

No, you missed the point.

It's disgusting how the left will tear down anyone who stands in their way.

This guy asked Obama a question.  He tried to participate in democracy.  But the left didn't like his viewpoint, so they got busy digging up dirt and tearing him down.  A private citizen voices his opinion and gets the full-on Daily Kos Hate Treatment.

It's sad, really.

No.  Actually Floyd, the TRUTH is that "Joe the Plumber" was incessantly spoken about by John McCain when he invoked "Joe the Plumber" no less than TWENTY-ONE FRIGGIN' TIMES during last night's  debate!..... he appeared on numerous news/radio programs to exploit his 15 mins of fame... his LIES were told and exploited by Fox News... and this JOE guy misrepresented himself as someone who'd be affected by a 3% rise in income taxes over $250k.... and Obama was gracious enough to speak with him for a long time.... he engaged the guy, respected his point of view, and had a lengthy discussion of "Joe's" concerns... tell me who's lying after viewing the ENTIRE video...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6031110

Once again, Obama is NOT the one with the problem... he engaged a partisan citizen voter who later LIED about his political affiliations while the RIGHT WING MEDIA RAN WITH IT.

The left wing media smelled a RAT... and they were RIGHT.

Obama's Plan is a Socialist Slippery Slope
http://beltwayblips.com/video/joe_the_plumber_obama_s_plan_is_a_socialist_slippery/

Floyd, it's funny you can defend the indefensible yet have been amazingly SILENT when it comes to the Republican ATTACK MACHINE that seeks to tar Obama as a domestic terrorist...

HATE RADIO has always had much more power and a more profound effect on public opinion than anything I've ever read in Daily Kos or Huffington Post...

The last Domestic Terrorists???   Those included Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were right wing zealots, btw.

What if I had shown up at a McCain townhall and pretended to be an "uninsured" citizen who recently had cancer surgery... to make a political argument against him...

Do you think the right wing media/blogosphere wouldn't have pounced on me had Obama invoked my name TWENTY ONE TIMES during the course of a presidential debate?!?

Geez.

No, Actually USRUF, the truth is the issue is not Joe the Plumber. It was Obama's stupid "spread the wealth around" comment. Attacking Joe is a way to divert attention from Obama's class warfare position.

As far as domestic terrorists go, interesting you left off Bill Ayers. Last time I checked, McCain did not get his political start at McVeigh or Nichols' house.

[guido911]

And here is Obama mocking Joe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4

[USRufnex]

Per usual Guido, everything you allege is taken completely out of context.

You're all about SOUND BITES and SNIPPETS over substance, because you know that the issues are against you this time around... you know that a slightly higher tax rate for those who earn over $250k is NOT class warfare, and doesn't even equal the tax rates from the Reagan administration pre-1986.

Heck, I understand and am VERY HAPPY to be in a higher tax bracket than I was 5-10 years ago.  I may not be crazy about paying more taxes, but I'm grateful to be making DOUBLE THE MONEY.

This "Joe the Plumber" guy is not a licensed plumber; he is a contractor.  And he reflects the conservative working man's myth that Obama will raise taxes for people who make $40k per year.  And the guy's a completely partisan deluded koolaid drinker.  Even if "Joe" were able to buy the business he claims he wants, that plumbing business would be lucky to reap over $100k in profits.  As Obama says, how many PLUMBERS do you know who make over $250k per year???....



This isn't an insult, it's a fact.... and you continue to manipulate and skew Obama's statements as part of your Quixotian quest to portray Obama as an elitist who disdains the working people in this country when nothing could be further from the trutht... yet when Joe the Plumber compares Obama to Sammy Davis Jr, god forbid anybody recognize the inherent racism in that kind of statement....

At a time when taxpayers will be bailing out banks and the rich at a higher rate than other investors or homeowners, the concept of a progressive tax code is more important and more practical than ever...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6031110

"Spread the wealth around" is NOT the prominent thrust of the above conversation... period.

Then we look at your youtube clip, which is worthy of FoxNews and Newsbusters.... of course, only conservatives have the magical powers to be able to see into Barack Hussein Obama's soul... /sarcasm.  [xx(]

Ironically enough, you and the McCain campaign like to "twist the truth like Clinton."

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

You missed the point, which is rarely surprising anymore...

Ironic how the right wing likes playing the victim card despite the fact they're in the MAJORITY.... see photo/caption posted above.

What does your pie chart have to do with the "right wing?" It's a breakdown of religious affiliation graphically.  There are many left wing democrats who would fall into the "christian" category.  In fact, the last time I checked, Obama and Biden both fit into that category.

Is it my fault that you "missed the point" of your own graph?

You're a cartoon.

[USRufnex]

Right wing evangelicals including Palin's church play victim politics all the time...... "you can't pray in school" and "those evil "secular humanists" are agin' us"....

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnexFloyd, it's funny you can defend the indefensible yet have been amazingly SILENT when it comes to the Republican ATTACK MACHINE that seeks to tar Obama as a domestic terrorist...

You are so busy ranting that you fail to see the difference between a voter asking a question and a candidate running for President?  You also fail to note that I NEVER post on the politics threads?  I do it today because this episode scares me.

You ranting, raving polemicists should lay off "Joe the Plumber" before he goes and kills himself for the incredible mistake of participating in democracy.  What would a thorough background check on you, or any of us, turn up?  And would we want it aired nationally?  Think about THAT the next time you particpate in political discussion.

What the leftists are doing to a voter who spoke his mind will have a chilling effect on free discourse.  And the blame goes on the feet of the left wing blogosphere.

/done here

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by USRufnexFloyd, it's funny you can defend the indefensible yet have been amazingly SILENT when it comes to the Republican ATTACK MACHINE that seeks to tar Obama as a domestic terrorist...

You are so busy ranting that you fail to see the difference between a voter asking a question and a candidate running for President?  You also fail to note that I NEVER post on the politics threads?  I do it today because this episode scares me.

You ranting, raving polemicists should lay off "Joe the Plumber" before he goes and kills himself for the incredible mistake of participating in democracy.  What would a thorough background check on you, or any of us, turn up?  And would we want it aired nationally?  Think about THAT the next time you particpate in political discussion.

What the leftists are doing to a voter who spoke his mind will have a chilling effect on free discourse.  And the blame goes on the feet of the left wing blogosphere.

/done here

/done here???  Yeah, right.

"A chilling effect on free discourse?"

Are you kidding?

Have you paid no attention to the Rush Limbaugh monopoly on AM radio???

How 'bout some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY from the hypocritical right wing.... when you go out and LIE you should take responsibility for what you say...

I AM A PROUD PATRIOTIC AMERICAN WHO IS A DEMOCRAT THIS YEAR.

I will not sit idly by while a dupe for the right wing is being used to promote an mythical agenda that is disengenous and just plain wrong.

Once again Floyd...... you still haven't answered....

What if I had shown up at a McCain townhall and pretended to be an "uninsured" citizen who recently had cancer surgery?... to make a political argument against him?...

Do you think the right wing media/blogosphere wouldn't have pounced on me had Obama invoked my name TWENTY ONE TIMES during the course of a presidential debate?!?

Bueller.... Bueller?!?

[pmcalk]

"Joe the Plumber" is yet another example of McCain's impetuous campaign.  He sees a chance to make a "game changer" by throwing out this guy to the media wolves.  McCain, without looking into anything about this guy, uses his name over and over again in a debate.

And of course the media, who likes nothing more than a feeding frenzy on some new guy, floods the guy's house to get a bit of information on him.

I feel a bit sorry for him, except for the fact that he seemed to welcome it.  How many interviews did he do yesterday?  Five, six?  He's done more interviews now than Sarah Palin.  Now we know he hasn't paid his taxes and isn't a licensed plumber.

A more organized, better focused campaign would never have done something so erratic.  McCain should have made looked into this guy before he threw him out to the media.

And now McCain is running an ad featuring Joe the Plumber.  Poor guy.