Pretty Interesting Twist for Obama = Oct Surprise?

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

This will rail some, but I found it interesting this week as Obama scheduled a week ahead (last Sunday) to travel to Hawaii to see his 'ailing' grandmother on Thursday-Friday, who was stated to likely "not last days".

Was hoping her fate isn't politically correct,
when one realizes she is the only living person who claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was delivered....in Kenya.


SOME BACKGROUND

Frankly, I don't know what to believe, but do believe the proof/truth is out there and should be revealed.

Good lord, you're desperate.  Obama has already provided copies of his birth certificate.  You can see it here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

If you are going to spread a smear, you should at least make it sound plausible.  School records show that Obama's father attended school in Hawaii until 1962, when he transferred to Harvard.  In 1962, Ann moved from Honolulu to Seattle.  At no time did they live in Kenya.  So why would she have left the US, fly to Kenya, just too have a baby?  Because of the superior medical care in Africa???  Please.

When contacted, the State of Hawaii stated an authentic Hawaii Birth Certificate would have a raised embossing (other than the letterhead) with a signature through it. The one you cite does not have such markings. That was the claim.

Copies of other peoples' Birth Certificates from Hawaii around the same time look quite different from the one presented.

In Obama's book, he himself mentions finding some folded papers inside a book at his home which included the original copy of his Birth Certificate. Why can't we see that one?

I have never heard any of the other claims you've made, which sound as plausible as anything/everything else that's been stated.

I don't claim to possess the truth here, just that it should be verified by someone with no agenda.

The facts should lay out well from end to end.
Nothing I've heard yet does that.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Jeez Louise.

Nothing like aligning yourself to goofy conspiracy theories to shred whatever credibility you had left.

This stuff is has about the same high standing at the "9/11 Truth" movement.

Not aligning with anyone here. The questions were raised, some evidence provided and questioned. A guy went to court to demand a reconciliation. Nothing wrong with that. There shouldn't be any problem dispelling any issues with the truth.

What if no one asked and we elected a foreigner as our President simply because our system of checks and balances has holes large enough to drive a tanker truck through?

Now that would be embarrassing.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

This will rail some, but I found it interesting this week as Obama scheduled a week ahead (last Sunday) to travel to Hawaii to see his 'ailing' grandmother on Thursday-Friday, who was stated to likely "not last days".

Was hoping her fate isn't politically correct,
when one realizes she is the only living person who claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was delivered....in Kenya.


SOME BACKGROUND

Frankly, I don't know what to believe, but do believe the proof/truth is out there and should be revealed.

Good lord, you're desperate.  Obama has already provided copies of his birth certificate.  You can see it here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

If you are going to spread a smear, you should at least make it sound plausible.  School records show that Obama's father attended school in Hawaii until 1962, when he transferred to Harvard.  In 1962, Ann moved from Honolulu to Seattle.  At no time did they live in Kenya.  So why would she have left the US, fly to Kenya, just too have a baby?  Because of the superior medical care in Africa???  Please.

When contacted, the State of Hawaii stated an authentic Hawaii Birth Certificate would have a raised embossing (other than the letterhead) with a signature through it. The one you cite does not have such markings. That was the claim.

Copies of other peoples' Birth Certificates from Hawaii around the same time look quite different from the one presented.

In Obama's book, he himself mentions finding some folded papers inside a book at his home which included the original copy of his Birth Certificate. Why can't we see that one?

I have never heard any of the other claims you've made, which sound as plausible as anything/everything else that's been stated.

I don't claim to possess the truth here, just that it should be verified by someone with no agenda.

The facts should lay out well from end to end.
Nothing I've heard yet does that.

I hear that McCain is actually a polygymist.  I don't claim to possess the truth here, just that his lack of multiple marriages should be verified by someone with know agenda.  Why hasn't he offered any evidence to disprove this?  

[/sarcasm]

Deja vu all over again.  This was covered in an earlier thread.  

From Factcheck:

quote:
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Time to drop it.

[RecycleMichael]

My parents were vacationing in Europe when I was born so my aunt had me.

[Wrinkle]

quote: Time to drop it.

Sure, I've said my piece.

But, it appears this will be proceeding to the SC independent of me.

Doubt it's just going to go away, like you'd hope.

[pmcalk]

Yes, it will likely not go away, nor will the assertions that McCain was a polygamist, especially when people continue to post the rumors without any proof.

[RecycleMichael]

Why did the polygamist cross the road?

To get to the other bride.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Jeez Louise.

Nothing like aligning yourself to goofy conspiracy theories to shred whatever credibility you had left.

This stuff is has about the same high standing at the "9/11 Truth" movement.

Not aligning with anyone here. The questions were raised, some evidence provided and questioned. A guy went to court to demand a reconciliation. Nothing wrong with that. There shouldn't be any problem dispelling any issues with the truth.

What if no one asked and we elected a foreigner as our President simply because our system of checks and balances has holes large enough to drive a tanker truck through?

Now that would be embarrassing.

Do your posts on local issues have this little relationship with reality? Because this is some really off the wall sh!t.

Question, not that any of this is remotely true, but you know that what makes this even more ridiculous is that it does not matter if he was born in Kenya, his Mother was a US Citizen so he is a US Citizen, no matter where he was born. End of story.

Hell, McCain wasn't born in the United States.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote: Time to drop it.

Sure, I've said my piece.

But, it appears this will be proceeding to the SC independent of me.

Doubt it's just going to go away, like you'd hope.

That nutjob may have asked for an SCOTUS ruling; I bet it's likely they won't hear it though.

It's 'Batsh*t Crazy'.

[Wrinkle]

A new twist, seems Obama's trip to Hawaii was productive: Hawaii Governor Seals Obama's Birth Certificate

Actually, as I understand things, the "Birth Certificate" wasn't sealed. The Governor sealed access to all of Obama's records, whatever they are. So, doesn't necessarily mean a birth certificate exists.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Jeez Louise.

Nothing like aligning yourself to goofy conspiracy theories to shred whatever credibility you had left.

This stuff is has about the same high standing at the "9/11 Truth" movement.

Not aligning with anyone here. The questions were raised, some evidence provided and questioned. A guy went to court to demand a reconciliation. Nothing wrong with that. There shouldn't be any problem dispelling any issues with the truth.

What if no one asked and we elected a foreigner as our President simply because our system of checks and balances has holes large enough to drive a tanker truck through?

Now that would be embarrassing.

Do your posts on local issues have this little relationship with reality? Because this is some really off the wall sh!t.

Question, not that any of this is remotely true, but you know that what makes this even more ridiculous is that it does not matter if he was born in Kenya, his Mother was a US Citizen so he is a US Citizen, no matter where he was born. End of story.

Hell, McCain wasn't born in the United States.

I'm not sure your understanding of the facts represents actual law, if you wish to discuss reality. But, attacking the messenger is always a good side bar.

It would be extremely easy to clear up if Obama would produce his birth certificate; an Official one with seal and signature as required by Hawaii. All he has to do is request it, and he was just there, could've done it in person.

btw, you are aware that FactCheck.org is owned by the Annenberg Center/Foundation, upon who's Board Obama sat, along with Ayers, I presume?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Jeez Louise.

Nothing like aligning yourself to goofy conspiracy theories to shred whatever credibility you had left.

This stuff is has about the same high standing at the "9/11 Truth" movement.

Not aligning with anyone here. The questions were raised, some evidence provided and questioned. A guy went to court to demand a reconciliation. Nothing wrong with that. There shouldn't be any problem dispelling any issues with the truth.

What if no one asked and we elected a foreigner as our President simply because our system of checks and balances has holes large enough to drive a tanker truck through?

Now that would be embarrassing.

Do your posts on local issues have this little relationship with reality? Because this is some really off the wall sh!t.

Question, not that any of this is remotely true, but you know that what makes this even more ridiculous is that it does not matter if he was born in Kenya, his Mother was a US Citizen so he is a US Citizen, no matter where he was born. End of story.

Hell, McCain wasn't born in the United States.

I'm not sure your understanding of the facts represents actual law, if you wish to discuss reality. But, attacking the messenger is always a good side bar.

It would be extremely easy to clear up if Obama would produce his birth certificate; an Official one with seal and signature as required by Hawaii. All he has to do is request it, and he was just there, could've done it in person.

btw, you are aware that FactCheck.org is owned by the Annenberg Center/Foundation, upon who's Board Obama sat, along with Ayers, I presume?

Reality is that this is crackpot bullsh!t.

And that foundation was created and run by noted Republican Walter Annenberg who was a great friend to both Nixon and Reagan.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

A new twist, seems Obama's trip to Hawaii was productive: Hawaii Governor Seals Obama's Birth Certificate

Actually, as I understand things, the "Birth Certificate" wasn't sealed. The Governor sealed access to all of Obama's records, whatever they are. So, doesn't necessarily mean a birth certificate exists.

Tell you what, I won't refute your argument with leftest blogs like Huffington & Dailykos if you don't post ridiculous rightwing blogs that lack all credibility like the Worldnet.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle
It would be extremely easy to clear up if Obama would produce his birth certificate; an Official one with seal and signature as required by Hawaii. All he has to do is request it, and he was just there, could've done it in person.

btw, you are aware that FactCheck.org is owned by the Annenberg Center/Foundation, upon who's Board Obama sat, along with Ayers, I presume?

Where--besides some rightwing nut blog--have you seen ANY evidence that Obama has not produced an official birth certificate?  Are you just blindly refusing to believe the facts set out before you?  You can see the pictures of his certificate on Factcheck.  Some further quotes:

quote:We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."


We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961...



The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.


Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Got your tinfoil hat, Wrinkle?

[Hometown]

You may recall a lot of folks believe that the Baby Bush presidency was been illegal from the beginning.  You know -- The Supreme Court Presidency.

But what most people don't remember is that the election of Dick Cheney as Bush's Vice-President was illegal because they both resided in Texas at the time of the election.  Remember how Cheney scooted out of Texas as fast as he could after the election.

Check out this story from the not too distant past.

"News story - Nov. 15, 2000

Suit Challenges Cheney's Wyoming Residency
Election lawsuit focuses on VP nominee's Jackson Hole home.

By Angus M. Thuermer Jr.

A Florida lawyer filed suit Monday to block the election of Dick Cheney as the next vice president, challenging Cheney's claim to be a resident of Jackson Hole.

The action by Lawrence A. Caplan of Boca Raton focuses on Amendment XII of the Constitution. That amendment says if the president and vice president are inhabitants of the same state, they can't earn that state's electoral votes.

Caplan claims Cheney is a Texas inhabitant, and that he and Bush therefore shouldn't be awarded Texas' 32 electoral votes.

Cheney was a resident of Texas until he changed his voting registration to Teton County on July 21st. He or his wife have owned a home in Teton County since 1993.

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, names Cheney, Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Texas officials as defendants. In a telephone interview from his office Tuesday, Caplan said he filed his action after Republicans tried to block the hand count of ballots in some Florida counties.

"That just struck me as extremely undemocratic and something that would go on in Haiti," Caplan said. He said he researched court cases, including one argued in front of the U.S Supreme Court, in which permanent residency was strictly defined. Inhabitation requires an even stronger standard, Caplan said, a standard he claims Cheney doesn't meet.

In Texas, Cheney spokeswoman Juleanna Glover Weiss dismissed the action as frivolous. Cheney has been in Texas with Bush since he voted in Jackson Hole on Nov. 7.

"The secretary is a legally registered voter in Wyoming," Weiss said, referring to Cheney, the former Secretary of Defense under president George Bush. "Their Jackson Hole residence is their permanent home. They voted twice in Wyoming just in the last year. Assertions otherwise are specious."

Wyoming has various tests for residency requirements. To obtain a resident fishing or hunting license, for example, one must reside in the state for at least the prior year and not have claimed a residence elsewhere. Somebody who moves to Wyoming to work must register his or her vehicle and get Wyoming plates within a month. But somebody who wants to vote may have lived in the state only a minute so long as he or she can provide a street address for a residence.

Caplan said he's not a rabid Democrat.

"I'm not a political gadfly," he said. "I voted for Ronald Reagan. I listen to Rush Limbaugh. I'm a regular Democrat, a very middle-of-the-road guy."

Without referencing any Wyoming laws or regulations, Caplan makes his case based on Cheney's eight years of residency in Dallas, Texas.

"He didn't leave his house [in Texas], didn't sell his house, didn't change his driver's license," Caplan said. "Where is he now? Is he waiting for the news in his house in Wyoming? He went right back to Texas."

Caplan also said that Cheney has "availed himself of residency privileges in Texas, including provisions of the Texas Homestead Exemption Act. He said that act protects people who are sued from losing their home.

Caplan said Cheney has listed Texas as his residence for income tax purposes. The suit states that "Mr. Cheney did not move into a new primary residence ... Mr. Cheney returned to his home outside Dallas, which remained his primary residence throughout the duration of the presidential campaign."

Cheney spent at least parts of several weekends in Jackson Hole during his campaign.

In his suit, Caplan argues that Cheney, a Wyoming native who served six terms as the state's lone U.S. Representative, "dashed to Wyoming," to change his registration before accepting Bush's nomination as running mate. The move is "highly indicative of the fact that he was well aware of the requirement as set out in the Twelfth Amendment and was attempting to finesse said requirement," the suit states.

The Twelfth Amendment says state electors shall vote for president and vice president "one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves."

Caplan explains the language in his filing. "The Twelfth Amendment is clear that one of the candidates, either the candidate for president or the one for vice president, must be an inhabitant of a different state than that of any particular state's electors," he wrote. "In the case of Texas, that constitutional requirement has clearly not been complied with.

"Clearly, if the Constitution is to be followed to the letter of the law, and not circumvented by an obvious and highly cynical attempt to cleverly finesse its provisions, which were created with great forethought by our nation's 'Founding Fathers,' then George Bush and Dick Cheney cannot be allowed to receive the thirty-two electoral votes of the state of Texas," the suit states.

Caplan asks the judge to declare that Bush and Cheney were inhabitants of Texas at the time of the election and he also asked for a permanent injunction preventing the Secretary of State of the state of Texas from certifying its slate of electors in favor of the Republican ticket."

http://www.jhguide.com/Archives/NewsArchive/2000/001115-News.html

Now, look at all the stink Republicans are making about this "made up nonsense" about Obama while Baby Bush and Dick Cheney's proven violation of the U.S. Constitution was shrugged off.