Ruth's Chris Steak House

[Teatownclown]

Contribute.  Make an effort to add to the forum.

Fight against your natural urges to act the way you do.  Try to improve.  Make yourself likable.

Whatever. As long as goof balls like this contribute nothing but pom poms, downtown wallows.

I have made many many progressive suggestions and innovative ideas only to be bashed for my market analysis. You go with Kevin Costner...I'll go with the Urban Land Institute.

[Townsend]

Whatever. As long as goof balls like this contribute nothing but pom poms, downtown wallows.

I have made many many progressive suggestions and innovative ideas only to be bashed for my market analysis. You go with Kevin Costner...I'll go with the Urban Land Institute.

Downtown is rolling around in a relaxed ungainly manor?

Congrats on your many many's. 

Anyone able to post agreeing with Teatownclown?  If someone can post something supportive that sells his point of view, I'd appreciate it.

[Teatownclown]

Downtown is rolling around in a relaxed ungainly manor?

Congrats on your many many's. 

Anyone able to post agreeing with Teatownclown?  If someone can post something supportive that sells his point of view, I'd appreciate it.

Dividing and conquering is not the way to go about discussing ideas.

So, nobody likes Stan Lybargers suggestion in this mornings World? And none of you think the East End needs a ready development plan. Schools in downtown? Assisted living?

You go Towney....

[Townsend]

You go Towney....

Gosh, thanks Rip.

[Conan71]

Doing our part to keep it viable by making our first venture to The Vault.

[DTowner]

Dtowner: You can't put false wording in my mouth....I will just spew it back on you. Again, I am not down on downtown. I just think people need to be more careful as opposed to greedy. I fear for Elote because their newest concept has vaulted them into the possibility of losing money. I fear for Juniper because Justin has steaked another claim in the Brady. I worry too many restaurants chasing too few dollars might erode all the good choices as they may eventually be forced to close. What was the name of the Mayo Hotel eatery that everyone was ga ga over when it opened? Open your eyes people. I am addressing this thread....not the entirety of downtown. Of course, my suggestions go ignored on Downtown like adding more residences for retirees and older folks.

You claim facts but put words in my mouth.  I was not responding to your predictions of doom for new restaurants downtown, I was responding to this statement:

Nobody said Downtown's a joke, but government subsidization of real estate development is not capitalism.

As to your other point, I think it is a valid concern as to whether all of these new restaurants/bars will make it.  A lot of capacity is coming on line in a short amount of time and I worry when a successful owner gets stretched thin with multiple projects.  But I will defer to Blake Ewing and others like him who are experienced business owners as to whether there is sufficient demand to support the supply.

[swake]

I want an example of something the clown has actually "developed", other than munchies....

[tulsa_fan]

Have the Vault for lunch the week it opened, the sliders were AMAZING!    I'm sure they have plenty of good dinner choices, but those were A++ (loved it with the pretzel bread!)

[Conan71]

Have the Vault for lunch the week it opened, the sliders were AMAZING!    I'm sure they have plenty of good dinner choices, but those were A++ (loved it with the pretzel bread!)

Hah! I didn't read your post until this morning.  That's what I had.  Very good choice.

[tulsa_fan]

Hah! I didn't read your post until this morning.  That's what I had.  Very good choice.

Did you get to sit outside or was it already too cool?  I really liked the place! 

[Conan71]

Did you get to sit outside or was it already too cool?  I really liked the place! 

We chose downstairs since we were convinced the front would be there at any time.  Turns out it was still nice when we left.  IMO, there's not a bad view from anywhere in the place.  We went upstairs and checked it out before we left (and ran into The Artist).  I'll post a review under restaurants in a few.

[carltonplace]

Hmmm.... let's see...Highways lead to street widening....street widening adds to growth...school districts benefit....better schools lead to more demand...more demand increases traffic....traffic adds to sales... a self perpetuating economy.

Now, what's missing in downtown?

Making the streets wider did not promote the growth it was the other way around. The growth drove the need for the city to widen the streets. Very few of the interections in this town are self sustaining. In other words: The tax money spent to widen the streets and intersections is not recovered by the sales taxes collected from businesses that those streets and interections provide access to.

That is not a desirable model.

[carltonplace]

Dividing and conquering is not the way to go about discussing ideas.

So, nobody likes Stan Lybargers suggestion in this mornings World? And none of you think the East End needs a ready development plan. Schools in downtown? Assisted living?

You go Towney....

Yes, the east end needs a comprehensive plan, and hopefully it incorporates the Land Legacy East End Park. Personally I would love to see some sort of urban retail and a mix of housing units in the East End.

[Oil Capital]

Don't be surprised if Ruth's Chris ends up in South Tulsa rather than downtown.  The 91st & Yale corner is highly attractive for national chains with the announcement of Whole Foods.  It's like flies to the dung.

But not long ago you told us that Ruth's Chris wanted space in One Place downtown and "would match or exceed any lease offer the developer received."

[Teatownclown]

Yes, the east end needs a comprehensive plan, and hopefully it incorporates the Land Legacy East End Park. Personally I would love to see some sort of urban retail and a mix of housing units in the East End.

I'd rather see schools and groceries....