Ruth's Chris Steak House

[carltonplace]

I'd rather see schools and groceries....

Cood call. I thought Groceries were retail type services. I guess they must be wholesale or resale...my bad.

[Jeff P]

you come across as a novice....

I'm the novice, but you don't address any of my questions.

I think I'll stick with my "complainer" assessment.  Seems pretty dead on.

[Teatownclown]

So do you just choose to ignore the fact that you have one of the two most prominent downtown restaurant owners saying that business is going like gangbusters?

That his business has increased as more places have opened?

You say that you worry about Juniper.  Have you tried to eat there on a weekend night?  Reservations are required unless you want to eat at 10:30.

Will the new additions to downtown, such as Guthrie Green and then all of the new residences coming on line not just further the demand for more and varied establishments?

I understand the need for owners and investors to not over-extend, but honestly you come off more like a rabid complainer than someone who is really interested the successful development of our city.

Pee, I was not talking about the current situation. I was ringing a bell...just like Johnnie B. Goode.

Rabid complainer? Nah...more like the canary.

[Oil Capital]

So, Ruth's Chris anyone?

[sgrizzle]

Sure

[swake]

Will be in the new Margaritaville Casino. Planned to open in December.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/ruth-s-chris-steak-house-bound-for-river-spirit-casino/article_65302a00-dbe9-504f-a22c-494dda2ea664.html

[DowntownDan]

Will be in the new Margaritaville Casino. Planned to open in December.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/ruth-s-chris-steak-house-bound-for-river-spirit-casino/article_65302a00-dbe9-504f-a22c-494dda2ea664.html

"Everything across the river — The Flying Tee, RiverWalk crossing, the Simon Premium Outlet malls right down the road. There will be a very critical mass of people in this area. I think it will all feed off each other and do very well."

I highly doubt there is any overlap in the outlet mall demographic and the high dollar steak house demographic. 

[Townsend]

Will be in the new Margaritaville Casino. Planned to open in December.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/ruth-s-chris-steak-house-bound-for-river-spirit-casino/article_65302a00-dbe9-504f-a22c-494dda2ea664.html

The long-rumored entry into the Oklahoma market will be along the Arkansas River at the River Spirit Resort & Casino. It will be on the first floor of the casino overlooking the river and adjacent to Margaritaville at River Spirit.

[DTowner]

There used to be a high dollar (albeit, not nationally branded) steakhouse in the old River Spirit casino.  I don't know how well it did, but the few times I was in River Spirit the all-you-can-eat buffet seemed much more popular and much more in line with the cliental.  Perhaps the Margaritaville branding and hotel will change the demographic to couples who want to drop a couple hundred bucks on a steak dinner.

The McGill's in the Hard Rock Tulsa is actually just a licensed name and is fully owned and operated by the Cherokee Nation.  I wonder if a similar set up with Ruth's Chris is being done here.

[Conan71]

Somewhere Clay Bird and Dewey Bartlet (sic) are having apoplectic fits over this.

And it's all someone else's fault Tulsa didn't get it.

Maybe if these two clowns "got it" Tulsa would be getting its fair share.

[swake]

There used to be a high dollar (albeit, not nationally branded) steakhouse in the old River Spirit casino.  I don't know how well it did, but the few times I was in River Spirit the all-you-can-eat buffet seemed much more popular and much more in line with the cliental.  Perhaps the Margaritaville branding and hotel will change the demographic to couples who want to drop a couple hundred bucks on a steak dinner.

The McGill's in the Hard Rock Tulsa is actually just a licensed name and is fully owned and operated by the Cherokee Nation.  I wonder if a similar set up with Ruth's Chris is being done here.

I don't know who is going to own/run Ruth's Chris, I would assume that whomever that is will still have to meet the same standards as any Ruth's Chris franchisee.

I do know that old steakhouse "Elements" was just plain terrible. We ate there once and were the only people in the whole place and still had crappy service and food.  I like McGill's in the Hard Rock.

[DTowner]

I don't know who is going to own/run Ruth's Chris, I would assume that whomever that is will still have to meet the same standards as any Ruth's Chris franchisee.

The ownership could be important as to whether sales at Ruth's Chris are subject to state and local sales/liquor taxes. 

[Vision 2025]

The McGill's in the Hard Rock Tulsa is actually just a licensed name and is fully owned and operated by the Cherokee Nation.  I wonder if a similar set up with Ruth's Chris is being done here.

Nope.

[cannon_fodder]

The ownership could be important as to whether sales at Ruth's Chris are subject to state and local sales/liquor taxes. 

Spoke with someone who exclusively practices Indian Law for a couple of major tribes in NE Oklahoma (though the person had no knowledge of this particular transaction, wasn't giving an opinion specifically on this project, and certainly wasn't speaking for the Tribe). Their position was that the economic activity takes place exclusively on Tribal land as part of an economic activity of the Tribe - it should therefore be exempt from State and local taxes (unlike cigarette sales and gambling winnings, which by their nature leave tribal land and have compacts governing taxation). But, the person went on to say that that position freaks out many national chains and so they often pay taxes anyway out of fear of the unknown repercussion from the tax man and possibly fear over bad PR if accused of not paying their taxes.

I happened to be speaking with the person and brought this topic up just out of curiosity. The hybrid nature of "dependent sovereign nations" is complicated...

[heironymouspasparagus]

This is a steak related question, so what better place.....

Was driving 3,000 miles over the last week or so and ran across something out of state that seemed strange.  Small country grocery with advertising sign in front;

No. 2 ribeye   $3.79 lb.


Intriguing concept....I was curious, so had to ask.   Was told that No 2 was referring to grass fed beef as opposed to grain fed.  And the price was unbelievable, but that was the actual charge.  They also had the 5 lb hamburger plastic wraps for about $7.50.  (As compared to the Walmart in town at about $11.)

Visually, this was some of the best looking ribeye I have ever seen.  Bought some as a test and fed to group of about 30 people.  Grilled some to each of the 3 stages - rare, medium, and well done.  All had very good flavor.  Very chewy - a couple of the people called it 'tough' (they ate well done).  Was good enough that I went back the next day and bought about 40 lbs. more.  At that price, and with the good taste, I wouldn't care what kind of meat it was!  Two days later I drove by the store again and the price had been raised to $4.19 lb.  Got to get a bigger freezer!

I have never heard of "No 2" referring to US beef (Wagyu is different system).  As for grass fed, I think that is all we had growing up, so it just seemed like 'normal' to me.  Chewy (tough) steak is why all the old people had those little hammer type meat tenderizers....

Anyone ever hear of 'no. 2' ??