[SURPRISE] Daily Oklahoman says abandon OSUMC

[sgrizzle]

http://newsok.com/bad-idea-state-shouldnt-buy-tulsa-hospital/article/3321548

[cannon_fodder]

Without reading the article, I will assume to... ahh damn it, I'll read the article.  Brb.  

. . .

Ok, it's what I expected.  No solutions offered at all.  Basically an argument against giving any state money to Tulsa.

quote:Doing so would also threaten the health of medical programs at the University of Oklahoma in Tulsa and Oklahoma City.

University of Oklahoma Tulsa medical programs are minimal, at best.  I think the one in Oklahoma is pretty significant.  Oh yeah... they employ nearly 5,000 people and run two hospitals.  That's right.

Public ownership of a hospital is not the preferred option. Unfortunately, it is a bit of a necessity.  Is the Jokelahoman in favor of selling off the OU MEdical Center or the OU Children's hospital?  What about the other public hospital in OKC?  Are they fighting the continued funding of those institutions?

quote:While it seems clear the state is going to have to chip in to help the medical school survive and be a party to discussions about adequate indigent health care in the Tulsa area

Pay for three hospitals in Oklahoma City, chip in and/or talk about what to do in Tulsa.  Yep, that sounds about right.  

quote:[We don't know what a solution would be, but health care in Tulsa is not important enough to take tax money away from Oklahoma City.]

Duly noted.  Enjoy your state money for the NBA team.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Without reading the article, I will assume to... ahh damn it, I'll read the article.  Brb.  

. . .

Ok, it's what I expected.  No solutions offered at all.  Basically an argument against giving any state money to Tulsa.

quote:Doing so would also threaten the health of medical programs at the University of Oklahoma in Tulsa and Oklahoma City.

University of Oklahoma Tulsa medical programs are minimal, at best.  I think the one in Oklahoma is pretty significant.  Oh yeah... they employ nearly 5,000 people and run two hospitals.  That's right.

Public ownership of a hospital is not the preferred option. Unfortunately, it is a bit of a necessity.  Is the Jokelahoman in favor of selling off the OU MEdical Center or the OU Children's hospital?  What about the other public hospital in OKC?  Are they fighting the continued funding of those institutions?

quote:While it seems clear the state is going to have to chip in to help the medical school survive and be a party to discussions about adequate indigent health care in the Tulsa area

Pay for three hospitals in Oklahoma City, chip in and/or talk about what to do in Tulsa.  Yep, that sounds about right.  

quote:[We don't know what a solution would be, but health care in Tulsa is not important enough to take tax money away from Oklahoma City.]

Duly noted.  Enjoy your state money for the NBA team.

Visit from OKCPulse in 3...2...1

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[okcpulse]

This is where I draw the line.  Health care is jsut as important in Tulsa as it is in OKC.  How can the state be successful in lopsided healthcare funding?

I say no to closing OSU-Tulsa.  Why are they in trouble?  The stories I am getting here in Hellston (Houston) are convoluted.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by okcpulse

This is where I draw the line.  Health care is jsut as important in Tulsa as it is in OKC.  How can the state be successful in lopsided healthcare funding?

I say no to closing OSU-Tulsa.  Why are they in trouble?  The stories I am getting here in Hellston (Houston) are convoluted.

They are in trouble because they have been the dumping ground for the uninsured and indigent for years and medicare/medicaid doesn't cover everyone. The rest of those costs have been absorbed by the owner causing it to run as a net loss for decades. It's estimated they need something like $50M to cover the costs of uninsured hospital care in NE Oklahoma annually. That is $50M that the owners have been trying to work around for years.


Another caveat. I've read in the paper that OSU students don't want to go to St Francis. Especially since it's an Osteopathic College and OSUMC is the largest Osteopathic hospital in the nation and only one in this area. Also, St Francis can't accomodate all of the students and some may have to go out of state mid-residency to finish their programs.

[cannon_fodder]

The MD's I know at St. Francis look down on DO's.  Not sure if it is just a quasi condescending attitude with half joking, or if they really think they are lesser.  In either event, it could cause problems.

At least St. Francis agreed to the deal.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The MD's I know at St. Francis look down on DO's.  Not sure if it is just a quasi condescending attitude with half joking, or if they really think they are lesser.  In either event, it could cause problems.

At least St. Francis agreed to the deal.

I never get that since DO's go through all the training MD's do, plus they take additional coursework.

[cannon_fodder]

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

Its a long standing feud.  Fact of the matter is that we have a first class DO school and they serve Oklahoma.
Ask the OU residency director in Enid wear his chief resident invariably comes from.  You guessed it OSU-CHS - a D.O.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The MD's I know at St. Francis look down on DO's.  Not sure if it is just a quasi condescending attitude with half joking, or if they really think they are lesser.  In either event, it could cause problems.

At least St. Francis agreed to the deal.

I never get that since DO's go through all the training MD's do, plus they take additional coursework.

said it before, md's vs. do's... where they went to med school makes no difference... whether they went to an accredited residency is what matters... if they are credentialed by the actual board of their peers... if they are listed here www.abms.org, they are the real deal... if not, they might well be a crackpot...
and that's a fact jack, everythingelse is bull****, hype or prejudice...

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

Unless you are a physician, perceptions of who is better skilled, DO or MD, is absolutely meaningless and relying on that perception is a waste of time. Speaking as someone intimately familiar with DO training, I CAN vouch that the debate is mindless and stupid. As for an MD's perception, sounds more like they feel a threat to their job security than anything else.  

The way I see it, when you go to the emergency room and while on your back either in pieces from a car accident or grasping your chest because of a heart attack, the first thing you should not think about is gee, I sure hope my doctor went to an allopathic medical school.

[citizen72]

That kind of attitude has been there forever. I will not go away soon.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

Unless you are a physician, perceptions of who is better skilled, DO or MD, is absolutely meaningless and relying on that perception is a waste of time. Speaking as someone intimately familiar with DO training, I CAN vouch that the debate is mindless and stupid. As for an MD's perception, sounds more like they feel a threat to their job security than anything else.  

The way I see it, when you go to the emergency room and while on your back either in pieces from a car accident or grasping your chest because of a heart attack, the first thing you should not think about is gee, I sure hope my doctor went to an allopathic medical school.

i sure hope that they are board certified... it is the great equalizer and ensures they have a basic fund of knowledge and maintain an increased standard of continuing education... if they are not board certified by an abms board there is no way of knowing what you are getting... they may have never taken any training in their so called "speciality"... which is dangerous, especially in oklahoma, where you can get a medical license if you never even passed the third part of your board exams (the last state in the union that does so... shock.)

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

Unless you are a physician, perceptions of who is better skilled, DO or MD, is absolutely meaningless and relying on that perception is a waste of time. Speaking as someone intimately familiar with DO training, I CAN vouch that the debate is mindless and stupid. As for an MD's perception, sounds more like they feel a threat to their job security than anything else.  

The way I see it, when you go to the emergency room and while on your back either in pieces from a car accident or grasping your chest because of a heart attack, the first thing you should not think about is gee, I sure hope my doctor went to an allopathic medical school.

i sure hope that they are board certified... it is the great equalizer and ensures they have a basic fund of knowledge and maintain an increased standard of continuing education... if they are not board certified by an abms board there is no way of knowing what you are getting... they may have never taken any training in their so called "speciality"... which is dangerous, especially in oklahoma, where you can get a medical license if you never even passed the third part of your board exams (the last state in the union that does so... shock.)

You keep referring to the "ABMS". Are DO's that attend DO residency programs and become board certified from that program eligible to have the blessing of the ABMS?

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The perception is that DO's do not have the same comprehensive level of coursework that MDs have.  An MD has detailed knowledge about all facets of medicine while a DO only has knowledge in the particular area which they study, which is often general practice.  Hence, no area of expertise.

Not vouching for it, just what the perception is.

Unless you are a physician, perceptions of who is better skilled, DO or MD, is absolutely meaningless and relying on that perception is a waste of time. Speaking as someone intimately familiar with DO training, I CAN vouch that the debate is mindless and stupid. As for an MD's perception, sounds more like they feel a threat to their job security than anything else.  

The way I see it, when you go to the emergency room and while on your back either in pieces from a car accident or grasping your chest because of a heart attack, the first thing you should not think about is gee, I sure hope my doctor went to an allopathic medical school.

i sure hope that they are board certified... it is the great equalizer and ensures they have a basic fund of knowledge and maintain an increased standard of continuing education... if they are not board certified by an abms board there is no way of knowing what you are getting... they may have never taken any training in their so called "speciality"... which is dangerous, especially in oklahoma, where you can get a medical license if you never even passed the third part of your board exams (the last state in the union that does so... shock.)

You keep referring to the "ABMS". Are DO's that attend DO residency programs and become board certified from that program eligible to have the blessing of the ABMS?

Nope, as I understand it they would have to go to an ACGME (MD) residency.  Bruno seems to think these are the only legitimate residency programs.