Owasso: " No" to Commuter Bus

[JCnOwasso]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by JCnOwasso

I agree with the "no" vote.  

Downtown is probably the easiest place to get to from Owasso.  Little traffic (atleast when I leave at 7am) and I am in transit for less than 15 minutes... most of that is on the trip down 86th street stuck behind a person who is going 35.  I don't have to deal with the IDL, and thankfully I don't have to deal with 169 anymore.  Plus there are several carpool opportunities if you want to save travel costs.

Because your commute is okay at non-standard times then they shouldn't spend the handful of pocket change to provide for the rest of Owasso?

First off, judging by the traffic that I have seen at rush hour when I leave work, and the mornings when I have went to work a little later... My "non-standard" time traffic seems to be the norm.  It is nothing like 169 where you are bumber to bumber from 76th to hwy 51.

By "rest" I assume you mean very little.  I sincerely doubt this will be used by more than 50 people a day.  Until fuel costs rise, which you could see an increase to 75.  

To be completely honest... I would rather owasso spend the 30k to fix the traffic lights.  How hard is it to go flashing red after 9pm.  Or better yet, higher someone who understands that you don't necessarily need a stoplight every 100yards.  Or if it is really necessary, time the damn things so there is no congestion.

[inteller]

flashing red after 9?  damn dude that is a statement about Owasso in and of itself.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.

ah I see you are already lulled back to complancency with your $1.60 gas.  Your attitude is exactly why America is where it is today.

Inteller, I assume your commute is i the 15-20 minute range like Owasso, right? Wouldn't you consider park and ride?

[TeeDub]

The problem with park and ride is that we have no sufficient concentration of business to make it very feasible.

How am I going to get a park and ride to drop me off at 71st and Yale?   How about 61st and Yale?   No?   Maybe 41st and Sheridan?   Still no?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

People in Owasso don't want to ride the bus because it isn't necessary. It is easy to drive .... 15 minutes of traffic free driving ... no need for a bus. I think some people would consider riding if gas was still $4.00 a gallon, but it isn't, so there would be very little money saved by riding the bus.

see my post above about work hostility against bus riding.

ah I see you are already lulled back to complancency with your $1.60 gas.  Your attitude is exactly why America is where it is today.

Inteller, I assume your commute is i the 15-20 minute range like Owasso, right? Wouldn't you consider park and ride?

[mrburns918]

While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.

The mentality of a majority of my former neighbors were a "keeping up with the jones" in a middle class world. Their cheaply built houses and well manicured lawns still can't hide the fact that most of them are only four paychecks away from being homeless.

Not all Owassonians are this way, and the ones who are you can write off as harmless. Just kinda in their own world of denial. Really a strange place like in Edward Scissorhands.

Mr. Burns

[Lame White Dude]

quote: While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.

You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.

You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?

Nice zinger LW. Actually, I'm guessing its illegal to ride a horse on city streets unless you have a badge. []

Dang...wrong thread....edit quickly before others note what an donkey I made of myself... there.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!  

Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.

Hmmm...

"OUR tax dollars...THEIR highways"
Sounds alot like "OUR tax dollars...THEIR river development".  Nothing good in public transit will happen unless we start thinking "OUR Regional Transportation".  Are the people from the suburbs some kind of illegal immigrants? Foreigners?

How many people living in Owasso work where the potential bus line would go?  There needs to be enough potential riders for any system to break the chicken and egg cycle. (Not having a system guarantees no riders. Having a system enables the miracle.  It's kind of like buying a lottery ticket.)

If enough people from Owasso work downtown, maybe the rail line would get a better reception than a bus.  Using a bus as a test case for a rail line is not necessarily valid. People like rail better than a bus. Neither mode will be successful, with or without a subsidy, if only a small number of people go where the train or bus goes.

[JCnOwasso]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Unfortunately, folks in Owasso aren't seeing the forest for the trees.

Here's an insightful quote from the Owasso Chamber of Commerce website:

"One of Owasso's key industrial attributes is accessibility. Air, water and super-highway transportation are well within easy distance, making the city a transportation hub of northeastern Oklahoma.

Promoting and lobbying for transportation improvements in our area is an important mission of the Chamber. In 2002, the Owasso Chamber led the way for the nearly $900,000 improvement to Hwy 20 between U.S. 169 and the Verdigris River. This year, we will see the widening of 76th St. North from Owasso to Hwy 75 take place as part of the 4-To Fix the County propositions past in Nov of 2000. The Owasso Chamber played an important role in passage of these important county propositions. In the future, your chamber will be leading the way for other roadway expansions, including U.S. 169 from Interstate 244 north to Owasso.
"

Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening!  

Given that most Owassoans work in the City of Tulsa, it's too bad that they would rather spend OUR tax dollars expanding THEIR highways to subsidize their living choices, rather than spending their own money to help their folks get to their jobs in our city.

Hmmm...

Ponder, I wish to answer your question of "Guess who pays for all this highway construction and widening".  

Judging by the wording on the Chambers website, it is Tulsa county... Which Owasso is a member of... Which takes a percentage of our Tax dollars...

Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects.  That is the way this stuff works.  I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by inteller

Owasso is one of those ankle biter up and comers and they don't want Tulsa to turn them into a commuter town.

Turn them into a commuter town?  

The population doubled from 2000 to today (18 to 36K).  Average household income is near $80,000 (2007 Claritas). Pretty sure those people don't work in the chain restaurants that have popped up.  Where might they all work... hmmm.
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Whoah there!  That sounds like those wildly inflated population numbers we saw recently for Glenpool.   I believe the latest estimate for Owasso is 26,000.   (Good growth, but well short of doubled.)  

And, fwiw, while they may work in Tulsa, my guess is that most of them do not work in downtown Tulsa, the destination of this proposed bus route.

[mrburns918]

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: While living in Owasso, my neighbors were incredulous when I would walk a 1/4 of a mile to the grocery store, taking with me an empty backpack to carry my groceries back home. One neighbor even said she would be embarrassed to do such a thing.

You walked to the grocery store? Why didn't you just ride your high horse?

High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?

Your post only proved my point, d***** wand.

Mr. Burns

[Lame White Dude]

quote: High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?

Damn, dude. Did Owasso steal your lunch money or what?

I honestly can't imagine a less offensive place in the universe than Owasso.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by JCnOwasso


Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects.  That is the way this stuff works.  I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.

Hmm..I wonder who it is that pays most of those county sales taxes? Might it be Tulsa residents?

And who benefits more from widening 169?

Not that I'm against it, but don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by JCnOwasso


Since we are a member of Tulsa county, we have the right [ability] to use Tulsa county tax dollars for the highway projects.  That is the way this stuff works.  I am sure you could find the same type of stuff on the Jenks/Bixby/BA websites.

Hmm..I wonder who it is that pays most of those county sales taxes? Might it be Tulsa residents?

And who benefits more from widening 169?

Not that I'm against it, but don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I can hear the money people in OKC, Tulsa - don't bite the hand that feeds you.