Owasso: " No" to Commuter Bus

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: High horse? Do you mean I should have climbed on the back of my typical simple minded, fat, ignorant typical Owassonian neighbor and rode her to the grocery store?

Damn, dude. Did Owasso steal your lunch money or what?

I honestly can't imagine a less offensive place in the universe than Owasso.

You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town.  Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy?  Hard to decide!

From the official City of Owasso website...

Honor: Respecting those in leadership because of the higher authorities they represent.

Deference: Limiting my freedom so I do not offend the tastes of those around me.

Boldness: Confidence that what I have to say or do is true, right, and just.

Flexibility: Willingness to change plans or ideas according to the direction of my authorities.

Persuasiveness: Guiding vital truths around another's mental roadblocks.

Self-control:  Rejecting wrong desires and doing what is right.

Obedience: Quickly and cheerfully carrying out the direction of those who are responsible for me.

[TeeDub]

Do they really say that?

How 1984.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow


I can hear the money people in OKC, Tulsa - don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Snarky, but inaccurate. The Tulsa metro population is a much greater part of the total Oklahoma population than Owasso is in Tulsa County.

And PonderInc, that is easily the creepiest webpage I have ever seen for any city anywhere.


Loyalty

Using difficult times to demonstrate my commitment to those I serve.

Meekness

Yielding my personal rights and expectations with a desire to serve.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm
The Tulsa metro population is a much greater part of the total Oklahoma population than Owasso is in Tulsa County.

I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post?  If so, please do.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town.  Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy?  Hard to decide!

From the official City of Owasso website...

Holy crap you weren't kidding.  That is creepy.  Do they offer a youth movement with arm bands?

[Townsend]

Oh, I forgot, maybe a drunken cheerleader v Tulsa city fountains movement...

[Lame White Dude]

quote: You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide

D. They're easy to ignore.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide

D. They're easy to ignore.

Yeah, then they're just subliminal.[]

There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide

D. They're easy to ignore.

Yeah, then there just subliminal.[]

There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.

I think that's a "They Live" reference.  Just somebody being campy, I suspect.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Lame White Dude

quote: You must not have read the "City of Character" slogans that are posted (at taxpayer expense, I believe) throughout town. Are they offensive, scary or merely creepy? Hard to decide

D. They're easy to ignore.

Yeah, then there just subliminal.[]

There used to be some of these creepy things along Riverside Dr. painted on the concrete block drain housings. Originally they were just art projects that were amusing and colorful. Then they became more sinister. I remember one admonished the reader to "Obey Authority". Nice sentiment but too nazi creepy for my taste. The controversy led to them all being painted olive drab.

I think that's a "They Live" reference.  Just somebody being campy, I suspect.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/

I enjoyed that movie at the time. Does it hold up? I think the sayings written on the storm drains boxes were meant to be thoughtful, helpful, moralisms. Instead they betrayed a rather scary side of conformism.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post?  If so, please do.

Obviously, current numbers are estimates. We'll know for sure in 2010.

The OKC MSA makes up 32% of the state's population. The Tulsa MSA is good for 25%.

The Tulsa metro is 76% the size of the OKC metro.

City of Tulsa is 65% of Tulsa County.

Owasso is 4% of Tulsa County.

Owasso is a little under 7% the size of Tulsa, as of 2007.

Numbers below:

Oklahoma State: 3,617,316

Tulsa MSA: 905,755
Tulsa County: 585,068
Tulsa City: 384,037
Owasso City: 26,352

Oklahoma City MSA: 1,192,989
Oklahoma County: 701,807
Oklahoma City: 547,274

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

I would expect as much. Do you have some actual percentages you can post?  If so, please do.

Obviously, current numbers are estimates. We'll know for sure in 2010.

The OKC MSA makes up 32% of the state's population. The Tulsa MSA is good for 25%.

The Tulsa metro is 76% the size of the OKC metro.

City of Tulsa is 65% of Tulsa County.

Owasso is 4% of Tulsa County.

Owasso is a little under 7% the size of Tulsa, as of 2007.

Numbers below:

Oklahoma State: 3,617,316

Tulsa MSA: 905,755
Tulsa County: 585,068
Tulsa City: 384,037
Owasso City: 26,352

Oklahoma City MSA: 1,192,989
Oklahoma County: 701,807
Oklahoma City: 547,274

Depending on whether any particular project benefits Tulsa MSA, Tulsa County, or Tulsa City:

Tulsa MSA/ Okla State = 25%
Tulsa County / Okla State = 16%
Tulsa City / Okla State = 10.6%

Owasso City/ Tulsa County = 4.5%

If a particular project benefits only Tulsa City, the residents of Owasso sort of have a right to complain.  4.5% vs. 10.6% is still significant but it is closer than I would have thought.  Is there such a thing as the Owasso MSA?  Obviously the Tulsa MSA includes areas that are not Tulsa City such as the City of Owasso and areas not even in Tulsa county.

[TURobY]

No, there is no such thing as an Owasso MSA. Owasso is part of the Tulsa MSA.

MSA's are determined by the Office of Management and Budget. A metropolitan area has an urban core of at least 50,000 residents, while a micropolitan area has less than 50,000 but at least 10,000 residents.

There are three metropolitan areas in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Lawton. There is also a shared metropolitan area with Arkansas: Fort Smith.

There are 17 micropolitan areas in Oklahoma. These are:
Ada, Altus, Ardmore, Bartlesville, Duncan, Durant, Elk City, Enid, Guymon, McAlester, Miami, Muskogee, Ponca City, Shawnee, Stillwater, Tahlequah, and Woodward.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

No, there is no such thing as an Owasso MSA. Owasso is part of the Tulsa MSA.

MSA's are determined by the Office of Management and Budget. A metropolitan area has an urban core of at least 50,000 residents, while a micropolitan area has less than 50,000 but at least 10,000 residents.

There are three metropolitan areas in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Lawton. There is also a shared metropolitan area with Arkansas: Fort Smith.

There are 17 micropolitan areas in Oklahoma. These are:
Ada, Altus, Ardmore, Bartlesville, Duncan, Durant, Elk City, Enid, Guymon, McAlester, Miami, Muskogee, Ponca City, Shawnee, Stillwater, Tahlequah, and Woodward.

OK. The definition is out. If Owasso weren't next to Tulsa, it could be a micropolitan area, as could Bixby, BA, and maybe some more. I think the suburban areas' right to complain is not irrelevant.  Going back a few days, one of the issues was road building in the suburbs vs. projects in the Tulsa City limits and who directly benefits.

Political boundaries whether they are India/Pakistan or Tulsa/Owasso will always cause difficulties. I actually live in the north edge of Bixby but tell people from out of the area that I live near Tulsa, in Bixby. A lot of folks around the country know where Tulsa is but not too many from out of the area could find Bixby.  I consider myself part of the Tulsa MSA.

[TURobY]

To make it even more interesting, there are also Combined Statistical Areas, where they combined nearby Metropolitan and Micropolitan areas. There are two in Oklahoma: Oklahoma City-Shawnee and Tulsa-Bartlesville.