Creek Nation to Build South Tulsa Bridge

[TheArtist]

Its almost a no win situation for the Tulsan that pushes for the bridge.

If Tulsa tries to build it, the people in South Tulsa will throw a fit about it and taxpayers will not want to spend a dime on it and will find some conspiracy theory or another saying someone is making a buck off of it, shady deals, etc.

If Tulsa doesn't build it, someone else will, and leave Tulsa to spend money widening the roads to it and maintaining the roads from extra traffic flow etc.

Danged if you do, danged if ya dont.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

Private developers force Tulsa into actions that primarily benefit those outside of Tulsa.

Why is it that I hear no (or at least very little) objection to the development on Memorial between 101st and 111th on the east side, Bixby?  Memorial is as much a political (tax income) boundary as the river.  Where is the Coaliton of Concerned Tulsa Citizens Against Economic Development Just Across the City Border (CoCTCAEDJAtCB) on this issue?

I'm sure that some folks are sincere in their economic development objections.  I also believe that for many it is just a smoke screen to keep traffic out of their neighborhood areas.

Well, just look at what is east of Memorial between 101st/111th.  Not much.  Bixby crapped all over half of that strip a long time ago with incredibly bad strip malls.  Just recently they got Regal plaza up which is a vast improvement, and they are getting ready to build 101 Memorial square.  Any descent is crushed pretty handily in Bixby because the planning comm is run by a very small body and their government is fairly disconnected from its constituents, more so than Tulsa.

Another issue with lack of development east of memorial is because Bixby AND the county are a bunch of asses when it comes to building roads infrastructure.  111th east of memorial?  2 lane bottleneck.  101st east of memorial?  2 lane bottleneck maintained by the county.  Everyone is holding their breath waiting for the state to 3 lane memorial south of the creek yet no one knows ODOT's schedule.  It's all a frickin joke.  It is like no one learns from their mistakes around here and all we are going to end up with is another 71st/169 nightmare.

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just a point of clarification.  Is this entity wanting to build the bridge at the very south of yale, along that small road south of John Deere nursery?  Or are they wanting to start it at the intersection of 121st/Yale, like soem twisted bull**** you'd see in Sim City, where you have a bridge flying over an exisiting road and populated area?

[Jitter Free]

Inteller, on your clarification point, the Creeks want to put the bridge in the middle between Sheridan and Yale, not connecting to any main thoroughfare.    

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

Infrastructure.  Tulsa needs money to pay for the infrastructre to handle the bridge traffic which I think is somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars.  No one has any money for infrastructure.  Not Tulsa, not Jenks, not Bixby and not the Creeks.

Its assumed Tulsa would have to improve the infrastructure to support something it doesnt want.
What if the only infrastructure improvements were a single fire lane just wide enough for emergency vehicles?

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quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

Inteller, on your clarification point, the Creeks want to put the bridge in the middle between Sheridan and Yale, not connecting to any main thoroughfare.    

On what cross street?  Saying Sheridan and Yale...might as well say "somewhere between Riverside and Mingo"

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

Infrastructure.  Tulsa needs money to pay for the infrastructre to handle the bridge traffic which I think is somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars.  No one has any money for infrastructure.  Not Tulsa, not Jenks, not Bixby and not the Creeks.

Its assumed Tulsa would have to improve the infrastructure to support something it doesnt want.
What if the only infrastructure improvements were a single fire lane just wide enough for emergency vehicles?

Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

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quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

Yes, Tulsa could deny them curb cuts on anything west of Sheridan so they can trust the hell out of whatever they want, their "customers" are going to have to take an SUV across cow pasture to get to their little toll bridge.

the audacity of developers in this city know no bounds.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

Infrastructure.  Tulsa needs money to pay for the infrastructre to handle the bridge traffic which I think is somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars.  No one has any money for infrastructure.  Not Tulsa, not Jenks, not Bixby and not the Creeks.

Its assumed Tulsa would have to improve the infrastructure to support something it doesnt want.
What if the only infrastructure improvements were a single fire lane just wide enough for emergency vehicles?

actually Tulsa is under no obligation to improve jack squat.  If the bridge is going to be built on indian territory they can improve whatever they need to on their property.  Tulsa can simply deny curb cuts onto tulsa streets.

[TheArtist]

I dont know if they can deny curb cuts. But I do like the idea of having a toll road leading up to the bridge property. Put the toll thingey right near the entrance to the bridge property to pay for the extra infrastructure we will have to build, that way only the people using the bridge will be paying for what Tulsa will have to do. If thats not legal, put the toll by where the "improvements" will start on the Tulsa side and perhaps give those electronic tag things to the people who live in the area, but ones that will let them pass on the Tulsa toll road for free or a reduced amount.

[YoungTulsan]

Let's not forget that we just passed the streets tax.  There is already a project allocated for 121st & Riverside, and there is also about $46 million unallocated, which could be directed at a special need project should one arise.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

Maybe more than that. My friend said a bridge there would save him about 7 miles each way.  A 15 mpg truck and $4.00/gallon gas would be a wash (excluding the bridge toll).  Then there is the time to go through Bixby or Jenks.

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

Nice idea.  Except maybe charge $5.  Or just don't build any new roads at all.  Let them crawl along on whatever cow paths are down there.

I don't really care, since I will never use it.  I just don't want our precious Tulsa infrastructure dollars spent on any more ridiculous sprawl.  Perhaps the rule should be: all new infrastructure upgrades will take place within a 6 mile radius of downtown.  You built a home on a cow pasture...enjoy the country living and two-lane roads...

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

Nice idea.  Except maybe charge $5.  Or just don't build any new roads at all.  Let them crawl along on whatever cow paths are down there.

I don't really care, since I will never use it.  I just don't want our precious Tulsa infrastructure dollars spent on any more ridiculous sprawl.  Perhaps the rule should be: all new infrastructure upgrades will take place within a 6 mile radius of downtown.  You built a home on a cow pasture...enjoy the country living and two-lane roads...

And no one outside the 6 mile radius will pay any City of Tulsa taxes.