Creek Nation to Build South Tulsa Bridge

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quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

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quote:Originally posted by TURobY
Why improve the infrastructure at all? Just put up a jersey barrier and let them build all the bridges they want...

I think Tulsa should just build a very expensive toll road on their side of the bridge. Charge like two bucks for about a hundred yards of real nice road.

Nice idea.  Except maybe charge $5.  Or just don't build any new roads at all.  Let them crawl along on whatever cow paths are down there.

I don't really care, since I will never use it.  I just don't want our precious Tulsa infrastructure dollars spent on any more ridiculous sprawl.  Perhaps the rule should be: all new infrastructure upgrades will take place within a 6 mile radius of downtown.  You built a home on a cow pasture...enjoy the country living and two-lane roads...

I checked a 6mi radius (starting S then going towards the E) from 1st & Main. You will keep Johnson Park at 61 and Riverside.  Southern Hills and LaFortune Park will be gone.  You keep the segment of I-44 that turns NE to intersect the BA. From the intersection of the BA and I-44 the arc crosses Memorial by about 1/4 mile between 11th and Admiral. Then it closely follows the NNW bound section of the Gilcrease. You keep the SW corner of International Airport. You lose most of Mohawk Park but keep Yahola Lake. To the south, cross the river at approximately 61st.  West of about 33rd W Ave and 61st it looks like you get into Sandsprings territory.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc


I don't really care, since I will never use it.  I just don't want our precious Tulsa infrastructure dollars spent on any more ridiculous sprawl.  Perhaps the rule should be: all new infrastructure upgrades will take place within a 6 mile radius of downtown.  You built a home on a cow pasture...enjoy the country living and two-lane roads...

While I completely agree with the sentiment, I think that might be going a bit too far. Some of the subdivisions in south tulsa have been around for 20 years or more now. Screwing those folks over isn't good policy.

Restricting new development on the far edge of town? I'm all for that. Or maybe make developers pay significant impact fees to pay for infrastructure when the new development is far from the city's core.

[patric]

The fate of the South Tulsa bridge has been in limbo for years.  Today residents learned that Mayor Kathy Taylor has requested federal money  for the project, even though, they say, she was opposed to it.  

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quote:Originally posted by patric

The fate of the South Tulsa bridge has been in limbo for years.  Today residents learned that Mayor Kathy Taylor has requested federal money  for the project, even though, they say, she was opposed to it.  

From what I understand, the STCC wants a bridge, just not the Yale alignment. The Mayor says that IF there is going to be a bridge, the city should build it, and collect any toll.

Btw, the Mayor is not requesting federal money for the bridge. Though some may want her too, just not for one with the unwanted Yale alignment.

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The Yale alignment would be good for the development at 61st & Yale. Yale needs to be improved to at least the Turnpike.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by patric

The fate of the South Tulsa bridge has been in limbo for years.  Today residents learned that Mayor Kathy Taylor has requested federal money  for the project, even though, they say, she was opposed to it.  

From what I understand, the STCC wants a bridge, just not the Yale alignment. The Mayor says that IF there is going to be a bridge, the city should build it, and collect any toll.

Btw, the Mayor is not requesting federal money for the bridge. Though some may want her too, just not for one with the unwanted Yale alignment.

Words are so cheap can you trust just words? Surely it takes more than a day to have someone pull out the main list and do some scratching off in Washington.
She'll lose the election before the money would get here anyway[]

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by patric

The fate of the South Tulsa bridge has been in limbo for years.  Today residents learned that Mayor Kathy Taylor has requested federal money  for the project, even though, they say, she was opposed to it.  

Oddly enough, a bridge at 41st St over the river has been on the city's wish list for much longer than a bridge in South Tulsa, yet Taylor the Tyrant deemed it appropriate to ignore a bridge providing greater connectivity within the city for one that provides greater connectivity to the suburbs.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Oddly enough, a bridge at 41st St over the river has been on the city's wish list for much longer than a bridge in South Tulsa, yet Taylor the Tyrant deemed it appropriate to ignore a bridge providing greater connectivity within the city for one that provides greater connectivity to the suburbs.

You can't build the 41st alignment anymore, they are putting a park in the way. They are even rerouting stormwater to that exact spot.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Oddly enough, a bridge at 41st St over the river has been on the city's wish list for much longer than a bridge in South Tulsa, yet Taylor the Tyrant deemed it appropriate to ignore a bridge providing greater connectivity within the city for one that provides greater connectivity to the suburbs.

You can't build the 41st alignment anymore, they are putting a park in the way. They are even rerouting stormwater to that exact spot.

A 41st Bridge is in the Master Plan. Anything Public Works is doing to violate that should be stopped immediately. Not to mention the money being spent to do so.

The park planning also violates the master plan, except mowing down those structures would be a day and a bulldozer's work.

Re-routing stormwater represents significant funding issues, both improperly spent and probably much more than that to correct.

"Can't" isn't the right word. They 'can't' build a south tulsa bridge either.

We need to get a public statement by the Mayor and/or Council regarding a 41st Bridge. Either it's to be planned, or they need to go through the process of eliiminating it from the plan.

The 'by dictate' method of government abuse should be eased. It appears they don't even wish to ask the question, or get an answer.

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quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

The 'by dictate' method of government abuse should be eased. It appears they don't even wish to ask the question, or get an answer.

This falls into the category of "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to get permission first".

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Oddly enough, a bridge at 41st St over the river has been on the city's wish list for much longer than a bridge in South Tulsa, yet Taylor the Tyrant deemed it appropriate to ignore a bridge providing greater connectivity within the city for one that provides greater connectivity to the suburbs.

You can't build the 41st alignment anymore, they are putting a park in the way. They are even rerouting stormwater to that exact spot.

Ah yes, the park that was supposed to have been finished in last September. Now when has that pesky due date been moved to?

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A


Oddly enough, a bridge at 41st St over the river has been on the city's wish list for much longer than a bridge in South Tulsa, yet Taylor the Tyrant deemed it appropriate to ignore a bridge providing greater connectivity within the city for one that provides greater connectivity to the suburbs.

You can't build the 41st alignment anymore, they are putting a park in the way. They are even rerouting stormwater to that exact spot.

A 41st Bridge is in the Master Plan. Anything Public Works is doing to violate that should be stopped immediately. Not to mention the money being spent to do so.

The park planning also violates the master plan, except mowing down those structures would be a day and a bulldozer's work.

Re-routing stormwater represents significant funding issues, both improperly spent and probably much more than that to correct.

"Can't" isn't the right word. They 'can't' build a south tulsa bridge either.

We need to get a public statement by the Mayor and/or Council regarding a 41st Bridge. Either it's to be planned, or they need to go through the process of eliiminating it from the plan.

The 'by dictate' method of government abuse should be eased. It appears they don't even wish to ask the question, or get an answer.

Wonder if its going to show up in the new master plan? One would suspect that it would be, but "when" and what the projected timeline is, is a whole other question. 30 years from now they may be quite ready to tear that "old" park out, build a bigger better one nearby, and put the new bridge in.  

[Rico]

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1208/579217.html



Maybe the "Bridge" is already there and we just can't see it..