Traffic fines in this city are warped.

[cannon_fodder]

Red Arrow:  it is not the law in Oklahoma that the left lane is for passing only.  But I was not really talking about the law... I was talking about how you SHOULD drive.  You can legally stop on an onramp if you want too, but you shouldn't.  

Likewise, sitting behind the line waiting for your turn to go left at a stop light impedes traffic.  Pull up.  When the light turns yellow ensure other cars are actually yielding and proceed.  That is how is is taught in most states (do we have drivers ed requirements here?).

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Red Arrow:  it is not the law in Oklahoma that the left lane is for passing only.  But I was not really talking about the law... I was talking about how you SHOULD drive.  You can legally stop on an onramp if you want too, but you shouldn't.  

Likewise, sitting behind the line waiting for your turn to go left at a stop light impedes traffic.  Pull up.  When the light turns yellow ensure other cars are actually yielding and proceed.  That is how is is taught in most states (do we have drivers ed requirements here?).

I believe we agree on what should be.  The law may not be on the side of good traffic flow.

Drivers' Ed: I don't know if it's required here.  I got my first license in Pennsylvania. At that time a 17 yr old could get a full license with drivers' ed. Otherwise you had to wait 'til 18. The restricted license did not allow driving after midnight and maybe a few other things.  That was a long time ago. I don't know what they do now.  My sister got her first drivers' license in Oklahoma.  She took drivers' ed but I don't know if it was required. Judging from the inability of Tulsans to keep traffic flowing and the "courteous" moves that really aren't, I doubt many have had any training from someone who actually knows how to drive.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Judging from the inability of Tulsans to keep traffic flowing and the "courteous" moves that really aren't, I doubt many have had any training from someone who actually knows how to drive.

It isn't just Tulsans, I've seen the same crap in every city I've ever been in.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Red Arrow:  it is not the law in Oklahoma that the left lane is for passing only.  But I was not really talking about the law... I was talking about how you SHOULD drive.  You can legally stop on an onramp if you want too, but you shouldn't.  

Likewise, sitting behind the line waiting for your turn to go left at a stop light impedes traffic.  Pull up.  When the light turns yellow ensure other cars are actually yielding and proceed.  That is how is is taught in most states (do we have drivers ed requirements here?).

This is actually illegal here. You are not allowed to enter the lane while waiting for the light to turn yellow.

[inteller]

hey, I just found out....I was wrong!  There is a spearate moving violation that is specific to blocking intersections, and the fine is going UP to $150!!!!! SWEET!

Now get out there and start writing those tickets!

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace


This is actually illegal here. You are not allowed to enter the lane while waiting for the light to turn yellow.

That is utterly stupid. Next you'll tell me that it's illegal to turn left into a center turn lane.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace


This is actually illegal here. You are not allowed to enter the lane while waiting for the light to turn yellow.

That is utterly stupid. Next you'll tell me that it's illegal to turn left into a center turn lane.

Way to come off as an donkey with your response.

I've been told the same thing that we're not supposed to pull into the intersection while waiting for the light to turn.

I don't have the law in front of me so if anyone with that ability can correct that or confirm it, I'd appreciate it.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend
Way to come off as an donkey with your response.

While I see how it could have been interpreted in a way other than intended, my remark was to say that the law is stupid, not that carltonplace is stupid.

Of course, I don't drive into the intersection waiting for the light to turn. I drive into the intersection so that I can turn. Sometimes the opposing traffic does not clear until the light turns yellow.

I'm far more annoyed by the idiots who right turn on red when the left turn arrow is on and then turn into the far lane that the left turners are turning into.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Townsend
Way to come off as an donkey with your response.

While I see how it could have been interpreted in a way other than intended, my remark was to say that the law is stupid, not that carltonplace is stupid.

Of course, I don't drive into the intersection waiting for the light to turn. I drive into the intersection so that I can turn. Sometimes the opposing traffic does not clear until the light turns yellow.

I'm far more annoyed by the idiots who right turn on red when the left turn arrow is on and then turn into the far lane that the left turners are turning into.

I retract and apologize for the donkey comment

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

It isn't just Tulsans, I've seen the same crap in every city I've ever been in.

Every city has some kind of driving stupidity. One of the things that annoys me is that Tulsa drivers think they are being courteous.

[Wilbur]

Title 37 Section 634 covers entering an intersection when you can't clear the other side.  Gets you $120 fine (tickets aren't $150..... yet - but just wait).

[Jonette]

This law about not entering the intersection while waiting to turn left is a bunch of crap.Most times it is the only way you have any hope of ever getting to turn left.

One thing Tulsa drivers need to learn is that the opposing traffic needs to slow to a stop when the light is yellow and stop racing thru the yellow, then maybe the people in the opposing left turn lane would have a chance to get thru the light. Hence the reason most people pull into the intersection waiting for a chance to turn left.


I have tried the waiting to turn left without entering the intersection and have had to sit thru a light 3 times one day. I was going insane. Of course, this only applies to an intersection without a protected left turn. I pull into the intersection and wait, it works for me,I have never had an officer give me a second glance, I think they know the problem the left turner is faced with.

In fact I was pulled into an intersection just the other day and the opposing traffic included a TPD patrol car and he just rolled right thru the intersection without as much as a glance.


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[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

Title 37 Section 634 covers entering an intersection when you can't clear the other side.  Gets you $120 fine (tickets aren't $150..... yet - but just wait).

no they are going to 150.  I believe the council will approve that on Thurs.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by nathanm
There's a lot of stuff I think cops ought to treat that way..speeding that's not actually putting anybody in danger, for example. (not speeding 15 over through small neighborhoods) But something as dangerous as driving the wrong way on a one way? pancakes?

I respectfully disagree. I think speeding fifteen miles over the limit in a residential neighborhood is a greater offense than going the wrong way for half a block on a downtown street.

RM I think he was trying to say "speeding on an open highway doing 80mph in 75mph zone".  He said in parantheses "excluding speeding in neighborhoods".  I read it the same way too.  Had to read it a few times to understand.

[RecycleMichael]

I have the reading comprehension of a gerbil sometimes. I take back my disagreement.