What do you think of the new ballpark design?

[carltonplace]

I'd like to see the ballbark borrow from the past:

[sgrizzle]

Also deco:

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



If "they" are listening, I want "them" to understand how badly "they're" about to foul this thing up.

Regarding HOK: new Yankee stadium is an architectural replica of old Yankee stadium with modern amenities.  I know they have a dedicated stadium group.  I just wonder why they think a minor league ballpark should look like a transit terminal. My best guess is that whoever they assigned to the project is more interested in architecture than baseball; hence a rendering that is more Frank Lloyd Wright than Fenway or Wrigley.  

The sooner we all admit the design sucks, the better chance there is that they'll fix it.

The design sucks....

Looks like after so many architects and baseball fans... not to mention "Artists" have said so.... There would be little to disagree with.

The question remains.... does the "totalitarian" form of a baseball trust see it that way.??

si como no???

.........back to the most recent Urban Tulsa.. ..  

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Y'all know that there are three kinds of deco, only one really used the kind of embellishments DSJEFFRIES posted?

I need to see some real image to judge. A stright side view tells us nothing really of how it looks. They need to tweak it with a grand entrance and a few arches and they could likley be very art deco.

Yea but currently its no more deco than my ranch style house. Your pushing it to say it has any more deco than that lol.

But I agree with the notion that it at least needs some tweaking, a grand entrance and perhaps some more vertical elements to it. As for arches,,, would be best to have rectangular arches not curved ones in keeping with the rest of the structure imo.

Do any of these design elements and materials look familiar? This is the Arvest Ballpark in Springdale. I think it is also by HOK and is about the same size and cost.



They did use some of that stone with some nice  texture to it like I was talking about.  


Our current version. And my tweaked one lol.



Here is an article on the Arvest Park.

http://www.baseballparks.com/NWA-1.asp

[tulsa1603]

I kinda like it.  I do wish it had more vertical height, but you can't win them all.

I like Deco, too.  But I think that when they try to replicate, it comes off as heavy handed and cartoon-y (for example, the wayfinding signs downtown).  

IF we're trying to create a younger, hipper vibe for the city, I don't mind seeing some contemporary architecture.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist



Do any of these design elements and materials look familiar? This is the Arvest Ballpark in Springdale. I think it is also by HOK and is about the same size and cost.

Nice catch.

Right out of the HOK cookie cutter into Tulsa's downtown.  

Seriously, what baseball fan wants a stadium that looks like that?  Not one.  Not a single one.  Hope they stick a Starbucks in one corner so the "donors" can enjoy a frappuccino while they ignore the actual game being played.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist



Do any of these design elements and materials look familiar? This is the Arvest Ballpark in Springdale. I think it is also by HOK and is about the same size and cost.

Nice catch.

Right out of the HOK cookie cutter into Tulsa's downtown.  

Seriously, what baseball fan wants a stadium that looks like that?  Not one.  Not a single one.  Hope they stick a Starbucks in one corner so the "donors" can enjoy a frappuccino while they ignore the actual game being played.

All right now. Its better than what they got now so not gonna lose their regular fans. And in addition, if it gets some of us frappuccino types in the door so be it[] lol.

I dont think the Arvest ballpark looks all that bad. Apparently garnered some "Ballpark of the Year Award" I think ours could look even better. For the deco fans, I agree with 1603, it can look cartoonish if your not careful. Though I have heard that they are considering incorporating some art-deco details and elements that have been saved from buildings that were torn down in the past here in Tulsa.

One consensus I think most if not all of us can agree on is that there needs to be some sort of vertical element in the design. I also think that if its at all possible, move the small parking lot next to the sidewalk back behind the tower thats on the left, and move that tower and the rest up to the sidewalk. Plus, add some articulation and windows and a door to that section to the left of the tower. That would help a lot to improve the pedestrian friendly aspect. Nobody likes to walk past a parking lot or a blank wall. This ballpark isnt after all, out in a field, like the Arvest one was... well it wont be once some development goes in around it lol.  There is likely to be a hotel right in front of that section. Would rather people walk out the door and see a building with windows, than a blank wall or a parking lot and the highway.  

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd
Seriously, what baseball fan wants a stadium that looks like that?  Not one.  Not a single one.  

What a complete over the top statement. You speak for all baseball fans, do you?

I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center, but you have only seen conceptual renderings of two sides and proclaim it to repel all fans.

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael


I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center....

That's like saying that a woman looks a little plain compared to Olive Oyl.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael


I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center....

That's like saying that a woman looks a little plain compared to Olive Oyl.

Lookie!  MB has another cause to champion now.

If he's against it, then I'm damn sure for it.  That's why I voted YES on the arena!

[:O]

[RecycleMichael]

He didn't say he was against it. He made a joke about the look of the early drawings. I respect anyone who tries to be funny on the forum.

Speaking of Olive Oyl...do you think she is extra virgin?

[cannon_fodder]

I think I'm against it.  

I was torn at first, but the more I read comments and look at the design the less I like it.  To me, it is a new take on the ORU design.  A "cool" and "hip" new angle on the old rustic ball park.

But I fear that like ORU the design will be not well received initially and quickly dated into a curiosity.  Ye' ole Epcot Center syndrome.  

The design, as proposed, really screams 1960's to me.  A super modern 1960's airport, school, old office building.  Something like that.  Not a ballpark.

It doesn't really seem to fit in with the rest of the city, it doesn't invite people in, it doesn't scream ballpark.  Maybe it is just a bad rendering, or maybe I am not seeing the pig picture, or maybe i'm an architectural idiot.  But I don't get it.

As designed it would look much better on TU's campus than in downtown Tulsa.  Glass, loge stone, and sleek lines.

Give me expo square pavilion.  THAT would make an instantly classic ballpark.  I don't want to be fixated on the past, but a ballpark is a perfect time to build an art deco classic.  "Classic" and ballpark go together just fine.

[sgrizzle]

To me the Expo Square Pavilion won't work. You would be scaling it up about 4 times the overall area and then have to remove details that are too cost prohibitive. I imagine you would get something that looks like a cross between the Pavilion and the 11th Street Home Depot.

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

To me the Expo Square Pavilion won't work. You would be scaling it up about 4 times the overall area and then have to remove details that are too cost prohibitive. I imagine you would get something that looks like a cross between the Pavilion and the 11th Street Home Depot.

But what has been mentioned is that someone here in town has a collection of art deco pieces from historic, long-gone Tulsa buildings. Those, I think, are the kinds of items you think would be too cost prohibitive to reproduce, and the great thing about them is that they're free (well, I would hope), already made, they have ties to "old Tulsa" and would add a ton of value to the project. They're already here, so let's use them! I think it would end up looking a lot better than the Home Depot.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael


I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center....

That's like saying that a woman looks a little plain compared to Olive Oyl.

Lookie!  MB has another cause to champion now.

If he's against it, then I'm damn sure for it.  That's why I voted YES on the arena!

[:O]

How did you vote yes on the arena? There was a proposition with many items including an arena but no way to just give the arena a defining vote....