What do you think of the new ballpark design?

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Floyd
Seriously, what baseball fan wants a stadium that looks like that?  Not one.  Not a single one.  

What a complete over the top statement. You speak for all baseball fans, do you?

I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center, but you have only seen conceptual renderings of two sides and proclaim it to repel all fans.

Guess I am being a little over the top.  I'm just disappointed that the opportunity was there to build something special and there's apparently a good chance that it will veer towards banal.

[carltonplace]

Maybe at least we can call it the "Tulsa BallPark At Greenwood"?

[cannon_fodder]

I understand that scaled up the Pavilion would be too expensive... but the ballpark could be built with essentially the same number of elements as the pavilion.    The entrance needs to be fairly ornate, but the outfield walls just need a detail brick accent and subtle terra cotta here and there.  Overall it doesn't need to be as ornate, larger art deco structures usually are not totally covered.

Or maybe even that would be too expensive.  I don't know.  Just wish it was something neat.

I'd rather see plain red brick than the current design.  Again, unless my ignorance is blinding me.

[TheArtist]

Brick,,, If it was done in art-deco patterns, fine. But otherwise, in this case, it would be boring. And I really, really, really do not want to do any type of "bricktown ballpark" design like okc. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAnything but that. This design may not have been what I would have gone with, BUT I would pick this design over something like OKC has any day. We have to do our own thing not look like we are copying sh!t that okc has. Better it look like our own sh!t than a second hand copy of their sh!t. lol

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael


I agree the new stadium drawings look a little plain compared to the new BOK Center....

That's like saying that a woman looks a little plain compared to Olive Oyl.

Lookie!  MB has another cause to champion now.

If he's against it, then I'm damn sure for it.  That's why I voted YES on the arena!

[:O]

How did you vote yes on the arena? There was a proposition with many items including an arena but no way to just give the arena a defining vote....

Semantics.

Could you not argue that the arena, with the lions share of the money doled out, isn't the keystone of the project?

Wow.

What I was alluding to, was that MBs vehement vitriol against the arena is essentially what made me vote for it.

[rwarn17588]

I'm glad the ballpark design is in flux, because that current design is fugly as hell and doesn't tell me it's a baseball stadium.

I mean, I like neato designs as much as the next guy. But I don't want designs to be so out there that it confuses the structure's main purpose.

The reason most new stadiums have a retro look from the 1930s and '40s is because people actually *like* them. Hint, hint.

[MDepr2007]

Maybe just maybe none of it is real anyway???

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

Maybe just maybe none of it is real anyway???

It's all part of "The Matrix".

[TheArtist]

Thought I would throw this out there,,, yes I had too much time on my hands last night lol. People keep mentioning "traditional ballpark designs and feels" but what I have noticed is that it appears there are at least 4 relatively distinct categories that ballpark designs can fall into. And of course, as with any category, there are always those that blur the line and are exceptions. But here are the 4.

The first is what I would call the "COLLONADE". It seems that many of the oldest ballparks, and the new ones that reproduce that look fit into this category. The exterior has lots of vertical elements that repeat the length of the ballpark or the structure and usually there is a grand entrance on the corner. It can of course be done in any style, traditional brick to contemporary and deco. But notice too that these often have a structure that goes all the way around the ballpark, ours does not, and in none of the versions I have seen, was there ever intended to be, the only new structure on ours is on the back corner where you would not really want a grand or main entrance.  

 

Then there is what I call the "BRICKTOWN". Made mostly of brick of course lol, but also around the entrance has some sort of tower and often exposed metal or wood beams.



Then there is the "CONTEMPORARY" No discernable rules here lol.



There is also the "VILLAGE" which has the exterior look like a grouping of buildings surrounding the ballpark. Often has some open nature to it where the sidewalk runs right into the interior of the park. The ballpark is part of the fabric of the street and can almost be hidden as if you perhaps took out a chunk of buildings in an area, and the empty space, surrounded by buildings, was turned into the ballpark.



I had originally thought we might be getting some kind of "deco/contemporary, collonade"/open design. Or Village/open design (which is basically what the SE side is, the greenwood shops). I realized that we would not likely be getting a grand entrance ON the building, since all of the layout plans have shown the main entrance at the open area on the SW corner.

Again, here is the ballpark layout.



The building itself, the NW corner is where you might typically find one of those "grand entrances", but because of the placement of our ballpark, thats the corner that is least likely to be seen. The most prominent corner is the SW one where there is no building what so ever. With this "open design" your grand entrance either does not exist or exists as some sort of unattached, gateway type structure. Which would be fine imo. It just doesnt look like they are going to do that though? So if there is going to be any apparent "main entrance" it would then have to be on the East facing side of the building where the ticket booth is. It wouldnt have to actually be an entrance, but could at least have the look, the "ballpark look" that people want. Or we do away with the open plan and have a structure, likely a collonade facade, that goes all the way around that part of the ballpark and then put your grand entrance on the SW corner.  The building is only where the blue and green is, off to the back side of the block, the rest, the pink, on the side where most will be walking or approaching the ballpark, looks to be open.

Part of what I am curious about is would most of you be happy with a reworking of the building, plus at least a small but apparent entrance on the West side, and the large open space? Or do you want a grand entrance on the SW corner? Both?  Or perhaps a reworking of the building and a grand entrance structure of some sort on the SW corner?

Besides the style issue, I keep getting the feeling that people are looking at the renderings we have gotten of the building and are thinking that runs the whole length of the ballpark. It does not. They then dont see what looks to be a main entrance of some sort. Which is true, there IS NO main entrance ON the building. The main entrance could best be seen as the open area on the SW corner. But it appears as if they have left it very open with no gateway structure that says, "ballpark here!".

[TheTed]

Victory Field in Indianapolis has its grand entrance in the outfield.

[carltonplace]

You woudn't want to build too much on the southwest corner because then you lose what is most attractive to the park's placement: the view of the skyline from the berm. But there is no reason you couldn't have a series of gates/grand entrances on the west side...a smaller one on the southwest corner and a smaller one on the northwest corner and then one in the middle that was "more grand". That way the illusion from the outside would be that home plate faced the west, but once you got inside you'd see the actual layout.

[VikingPoke]

Well, the Civil Engineering will rock, that is for sure.  :-)

[sgrizzle]

In the top-down view I am seeing an entrance on the west side that doesn't seem represented in the side view. I wonder if maybe the side view were meant more to show materials than final design.

[AVERAGE JOE]

The "main" entrance will be at Brady and Elgin, which spills right into a party deck along the first base line (curved section of wall). The corner of Archer & Elign is another entrance (mostly for outfield/berm seating) and a gateway to the Blue Dome area. Third entrance is at Brady and Greenwood (immediately north of the Greenwood buildings) which takes you straight down to the left field foul pole, the left field party deck and the third base line concourse. There's a small entrance at Archer & Frankfort (outfield) and what will likely be VIP & ballplayer access slightly northwest of home plate (right off that little parking lot).

[Red Arrow]

Referring to the pictures that Artist posted:


Yankee Stadium - Big time, well established. We have enough interest to support a limited use structure. I guess it's the "classic" based on the Colosseum.

Bricktown and Campbell's - looks like a shopping mall. Possibly thoroughbred horse racing.

Richmond Braves -  entrance, some kind of sporting place.

Clipper Stadium - shopping mall mixed with professional offices.

PETCO Park - guard towers on a parking garage

Nationals - enclosed parking garage

Minnesota Twins - Jetsons (George, Jane, Judy, Elroy, and Astro)

Open side reminds me of a high school or maybe a small college stadium.  It also reminds me of a present ($ saving?) home style where the front is brick or stone and the remaining sides are clap board with maybe a brick base a few brick high.  Looks unfinished to me.

Sorry I don't have something nicer to say.