Gitmo detainees to Oklahoma

[cannon_fodder]

Just like all the attacks on McAlsiter when McNowRottingInHell was there?

Or Sheik whomever in Kansas?

Attempting to attack a US Military installation on US soil is futile.  They could try, but would certainly fail and the result would be more dead terrorists.  If this lures them out into the open - I see that as a positive.

However, the odds of an attack in Oklahoma are just as relevant as any where else in the world.  Perhaps more.  Cuba certainly wouldn't discourage terrorists from landing who wanted to attack Gitmo.  If it was in Europe or Asia the same.

The notion of a possible attack is not changed by WHERE they are housed.  The NIMBY factor might come in to play.  But given security that would be in place and the location of the base (North of Lawton for anyone not in the know) - it would be as good a location as any.

I doubt any terrorists will start blowing up Lawton, OKC, or Tulsa because terrorists are housed in Ft. Sill.  They haven't blown anything up in Miami or anywhere else to protest Gitmo.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Who cares where these prisoners are housed?

I do dammit. Bringing hundreds of terrorists onto American soil could encourage terrorist attacks near those facilities.

Don't be a victim, man.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Just like all the attacks on McAlsiter when McNowRottingInHell was there?

Or Sheik whomever in Kansas?

Attempting to attack a US Military installation on US soil is futile.  They could try, but would certainly fail and the result would be more dead terrorists.  If this lures them out into the open - I see that as a positive.

However, the odds of an attack in Oklahoma are just as relevant as any where else in the world.  Perhaps more.  Cuba certainly wouldn't discourage terrorists from landing who wanted to attack Gitmo.  If it was in Europe or Asia the same.

The notion of a possible attack is not changed by WHERE they are housed.  The NIMBY factor might come in to play.  But given security that would be in place and the location of the base (North of Lawton for anyone not in the know) - it would be as good a location as any.

I doubt any terrorists will start blowing up Lawton, OKC, or Tulsa because terrorists are housed in Ft. Sill.  They haven't blown anything up in Miami or anywhere else to protest Gitmo.

Funny. I thought we just convicted five of the Fort Dix Six. Remember those foreign-born terrorists guys who were conspiring to attack a military installation? I guess they don't count.

[cannon_fodder]

Did they blow anything up?  No.

Is there any indication that the presence of terrorist suspects would have increased their attack?  No.

Their goal was to "kill as many servicemen as possible."  They can accomplish that goal as easily now as if the terrorists were housed in Ft. Sill.  Furthermore, an attack on the base with that goal has little or no risk to the town of Lawton let alone the State of Oklahoma.

You've proven that people conspire to attack military bases.  They also conspire to attack power plants, dams, air ports, locks, bridges and tall buildings.  Lets start working on getting all those things away from Oklahoma so we don't get attacked.

In short:  you don't want to house the prisoners because you are afraid of being attacked.  Who then deserves to be attacked (where should we house them)?

[guido911]

So in other words, the Fort Dix Six don't count because they weren't successful. Got it.I guess this guy does not count either:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/washington-terrorist-judge-2074925-cell-angeles

I don't want these terrorists to step foot on any American soil. Period. I don't believe in importing dangerous killers that have no qualms about strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up in our country under any circumstances.

And the idea that Oklahoma could profit from a cottage industry in housing terrorists is a little nauseating.

Where should they be housed? If not Gitmo, I don't know where.  Perhaps Johnson Island?

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

So in other words, the Fort Dix Six don't count because they weren't successful. Got it.I guess this guy does not count either:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/washington-terrorist-judge-2074925-cell-angeles

I don't want these terrorists to step foot on any American soil. Period. I don't believe in importing dangerous killers that have no qualms about strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up in our country under any circumstances.

And the idea that Oklahoma could profit from a cottage industry in housing terrorists is a little nauseating.

Where should they be housed? If not Gitmo, I don't know where.  Perhaps Johnson Island?

Oh, yes, because the people we incarcerate now are nothing but boyscouts & creampuffs.  Of course no one wants them.  No one wants Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer.  But you have to put them somewhere.  Really, are you more afraid of terrorists than some of the creeps we have housed now?  If I lived next to a prison, I would be much more afraid of some serial rapist pedophile than I would of a terrorist.  But chances are neither would escape--after all, if America knows anything, it's how to incarcerate people.

Once again, Jon Stewart was dead on:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216571&title=Guantanamo-Baywatch---The-Final-Season

[Ed W]

Oklahoma's congressional delegation can bray all they want, but the late unpleasantness of 1861-1865 firmly established the relationship between the federal government and the several states.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by guido911

So in other words, the Fort Dix Six don't count because they weren't successful. Got it.I guess this guy does not count either:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/washington-terrorist-judge-2074925-cell-angeles

I don't want these terrorists to step foot on any American soil. Period. I don't believe in importing dangerous killers that have no qualms about strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up in our country under any circumstances.

And the idea that Oklahoma could profit from a cottage industry in housing terrorists is a little nauseating.

Where should they be housed? If not Gitmo, I don't know where.  Perhaps Johnson Island?

Oh, yes, because the people we incarcerate now are nothing but boyscouts & creampuffs.  Of course no one wants them.  No one wants Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer.  But you have to put them somewhere.  Really, are you more afraid of terrorists than some of the creeps we have housed now?  If I lived next to a prison, I would be much more afraid of some serial rapist pedophile than I would of a terrorist.  But chances are neither would escape--after all, if America knows anything, it's how to incarcerate people.

Once again, Jon Stewart was dead on:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216571&title=Guantanamo-Baywatch---The-Final-Season

Money quote:  "Let's stop pretending these Guantanamo guys are supervillains.  These guys are thugs and jackasses, not Magneto."  

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

You are correct patric.  Oklahoma was listed along with Levenworth, Kansas, a facility in Tennessee and "other military installations" as possible locations.  But our delegation felt the need to jump in and say NOT IN MY BACKYARD!

Its so embarrassing to live in Oklahoma because of this guy (I like Oklahoma, and my family lives here-so please spare me the "move somewhere else" comments).

How long is Inhofe going to be allowed to continue his rein of redneckdom?

Will he ever be voted out, or are we all doomed to endure this all our lives?

[waterboy]

yes.

[Conan71]

I'd tend to agree it's no big deal housing them inland.

We still have pretty leaky borders.  There's nothing to keep asshats from attacking military installations now, other than staring down, well the military.  

IOW, I don't think there would be any more incentive for a terrorist attack on Ft. Sill if they were housing prisoners than there is now.  How do we know they aren't already?

Afterall I DID see four black helicopters flying over west Tulsa yesterday at lunch time.  That's all the proof I need. []

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

I thought we just convicted five of the Fort Dix Six. Remember those foreign-born terrorists guys who were conspiring to attack a military installation? I guess they don't count.

That's where some FBI shadows tried to recruit some minority hotheads to take on the government, and flashed some cash to spur them on before getting them to commit to the deed on tape.
When the FBI has to invent terrorist attacks and find people to play the roles, you pretty much get the idea the "war on terror" is a farce.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

Its so embarrassing to live in Oklahoma because of this guy ...

Will he ever be voted out, or are we all doomed to endure this all our lives?

Embarrassing is in the eye of the beholder.

I opted not to move to MA during their tech bubble in part because I couldn't stand the idea of living in a state that repeatedly elected a Kennedy.

[cannon_fodder]

Tim, I agree with Inhofe to some extent about trying not to legitimize the prisoners.  But we have a Catch 22 (we took them, their countries don't want them back, military tribunals where they don't get to see the evidence against them are a fraud). So lets leave that discussion to another thread.

What we know is that Gitmo is closing and the prisoners must be moved. No foreign country will take them.  The only reason NOT to put them in Oklahoma is a fear of attacks on the military installation.  Which would exist no matter where we house them and frankly, that's WHY we are housing them at a military installation.  I'd much prefer a concentrated attack on a military installation than an attack on civilian centers anyway.

+1 on the Magnito line .

[cannon_fodder]

What's Mercan?

Are you talking about the Canadian Financial firm?  I didn't think we were talking with Canada about having some private group house prisoners in Canada.  Please clarify.