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Started by Gaspar, January 26, 2009, 12:36:53 PM

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Quote from: Red Arrow on June 14, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
I only want to establish a government agency to assist me financially in affording to keep my car, which I need in Tulsa since we don't have effective Public Transit.  Maintaining my car will allow me to keep my vehicle under control and not allow it run into other motorists, bicyclists, or pedestrians. That will be the benefit to the general public.  As far as green, it will take a lot less energy to fix the car I have rather than manufacturing a new car.  I am not interested in establishing a new political party.  This particular car has no particular relation to individual reproductive rights but it is German so it would probably support them.

I think you have a compelling case but I'm (sadly) not in enough of a position of power to get your request into an appropriations bill.  I might suggest that, if you know your senator/representative, you might want to take it up with him.  I might also suggest that you find a way to demonstrate the popularity of your agency's mission, which might be measured in the numbers of signatures on a petition, or a list of donor's emails, or even better, a sign of their absolute willingness to support your cause come hell or high water:  eg. bundled contributions to your rep or senator for the next election. 

I mean, our government doesn't just dole out agencies to every Tom, Dick, or Harry.  You've got to show some clout, and because our system essentially recognizes the equivalence of money as votes, you're going to want to show up at the state house with as much gelt as possible.

Red Arrow

Quote from: we vs us on June 14, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
I think you have a compelling case but I'm (sadly) not in enough of a position of power to get your request into an appropriations bill.  I might suggest that, if you know your senator/representative, you might want to take it up with him.  I might also suggest that you find a way to demonstrate the popularity of your agency's mission, which might be measured in the numbers of signatures on a petition, or a list of donor's emails, or even better, a sign of their absolute willingness to support your cause come hell or high water:  eg. bundled contributions to your rep or senator for the next election. 

I mean, our government doesn't just dole out agencies to every Tom, Dick, or Harry.  You've got to show some clout, and because our system essentially recognizes the equivalence of money as votes, you're going to want to show up at the state house with as much gelt as possible.

Darn, I though for sure I could count on you after you posted:

QuoteUsing government services, and in some cases demanding services from government that haven't existed up till this point, is how government is meant to function.

I am so disappointed.
 

nathanm

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Quote from: guido911 on June 14, 2010, 08:17:09 PM
Because you have to start freakin somewhere if you want to cut the budget. Do you have a budget or ever used one?  Do you budget for dinners out, movies, vacations and the like when you don't have the money to pay your mortgage or put food on the table?
If I were looking for savings in my own budget, I'd probably start with the the entertainment or the car before I went after the chewing gum.

By the way, Red Arrow, the government would have helped you afford your car, but your fellow citizens decided they would like their suspensions to be destroyed by lack of road maintenance, so you ended up in the same boat through no fault of your own. :(
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on June 14, 2010, 11:35:24 PM

By the way, Red Arrow, the government would have helped you afford your car, but your fellow citizens decided they would like their suspensions to be destroyed by lack of road maintenance, so you ended up in the same boat through no fault of your own. :(

It has 150,000 miles it and is a 15 year old car.  It might have needed work anyway.

But, since it occurred through no fault of my own, the government should have a real desire to fix it for me.  Maybe the Feds could mandate that the state of Oklahoma fix it for me without providing the funds to do so.  After all, we don't want any unsafe vehicles on the road.
 

Townsend

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 15, 2010, 07:48:43 AM
It has 150,000 miles it and is a 15 year old car.  It might have needed work anyway.

But, since it occurred through no fault of my own, the government should have a real desire to fix it for me.  Maybe the Feds could mandate that the state of Oklahoma fix it for me without providing the funds to do so.  After all, we don't want any unsafe vehicles on the road.

Who would you suggest be on the committee to review your request?  They'll need to take at least 3 bids from in state and out of state businesses.

Gaspar

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 15, 2010, 07:48:43 AM
It has 150,000 miles it and is a 15 year old car.  It might have needed work anyway.

But, since it occurred through no fault of my own, the government should have a real desire to fix it for me.  Maybe the Feds could mandate that the state of Oklahoma fix it for me without providing the funds to do so.  After all, we don't want any unsafe vehicles on the road.

Suggest it to them.  Sounds like an excellent method of purchasing votes AND deficit spending.  The Welfare for Cars Program.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Red Arrow

Quote from: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 07:51:58 AM
Who would you suggest be on the committee to review your request?  They'll need to take at least 3 bids from in state and out of state businesses.

I'm actually new at utilizing the government in this manner.  I was hoping to get some help from the more experienced here on the Forum.
 

Red Arrow

Quote from: Gaspar on June 15, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
Suggest it to them.  Sounds like an excellent method of purchasing votes AND deficit spending.  The Welfare for Cars Program.

Welfare for Car Owners Program.  (WCOP) 

Can anyone think of a better acronym?  A really catchy acronym would help me get some media attention.
 

Townsend

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 15, 2010, 08:23:38 AM
Welfare for Car Owners Program.  (WCOP) 

Can anyone think of a better acronym?  A really catchy acronym would help me get some media attention.

Universal Fix Our Cars

Gaspar

They could fund it by placing a tax on new cars that cost over $45,000.  Evil rich drivers should pay.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Conan71

Quote from: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 07:51:58 AM
Who would you suggest be on the committee to review your request?  They'll need to take at least 3 bids from in state and out of state businesses.

...and then give the business to the blind, female, 1/2 Indian 1/2 Black-owned, Hub-Zone business who can charge the government 35% more than the other bidders.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: guido911 on June 12, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
More stimulus/bailout requested by Obama--it's only $50 Billion this time. Whew.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/12/AR2010061204152.html?hpid=topnews




Good news yesterday!  According to David Axelrod this is not a Stimulus Bill.  The Blue-Ribbon Panel on Fiscal Responsibility (Bah-hah-hah!) has not come up with a classification for it yet, but it's not to be called a stimulus bill.

An additional bill is soon to be introduced to bail-out Fannie and Freddy.  CBO estimates are rough so far at somewhere between 160 billion and 500 billion.  PLEASE NOTE: The administration will not be calling this a "bailout" bill.  Edward Pinto the former Chief Credit Officer for Fanny calls it "the mother of all bailouts," but of course he is mistaken.

The administrations Blue-Ribbon Panel on Fiscal Responsibility (Bah-hah-hah!) will be working hard to come up with new names for upcoming stimulus-like and bailout style legislation.  I assume they will be holding focus groups and testing new language.

I personally like (insert your favorite cause):
Rescue Bill
Saviour Bill
Benefactor Legislation
Security Bill
Guarantee Legislation
Surety Act
Delivery Act

You can also just apply ridiculous names that represent the opposite like:
Afford-ability
Sustainability
Responsibility (my favorite)

Or, mix and match
Responsible Afford-ability Delivery Act of 2010 (perfect)

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on June 15, 2010, 12:45:03 PMI personally like (insert your favorite cause):
Rescue Bill
Saviour Bill
Benefactor Legislation
Security Bill
Guarantee Legislation
Surety Act
Delivery Act

You can also just apply ridiculous names that represent the opposite like:
Afford-ability
Sustainability
Responsibility (my favorite)

Or, mix and match
Responsible Afford-ability Delivery Act of 2010 (perfect)


Call it the "Jesus Bill" so they can't vote against Jesus.

Gaspar

Quote from: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 01:30:13 PM
Call it the "Jesus Bill" so they can't vote against Jesus.

Excellent idea.  Nobody hates Jesus. . . .Wait? :o
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on June 15, 2010, 01:52:05 PM
Excellent idea.  Nobody hates Jesus. . . .Wait? :o

What about the non-electrical-conducting Terminator Jesus????