GloBal Warming Hoax

[sauerkraut]

There's lots of stuff I can post that debunks global warming, but it's ignored. There are 4 science climate experts one has a Phd who debunk global warming with facts they did a article about the subject, and they shread Al Gore's movie piece by piece. It seems some people just like political dogma and the global warming agenda over the facts. Happy carbon credit trading to you.[}:)]

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

Didn't I hear on the news that yesterday, Feb. 6th, we had a record high temperature for Tulsa?

Today's record high is 78, and its currently 74...

I find it interesting that the dates of some of those record high temperatures are from so long ago, such at the early 1900s. How far back do we have official temperature records for Oklahoma?

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Let's focus on the facts about global warming not political agendas. Scientists do not agree with Al Gore.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related

The men you are talking about as "scientists" are two TV weatherman, one of which doesn't even have a degree in meteorology or any other related discipline. These are not scientists.

There really isn't a lot of debate in the scientific community about this. Just on conservative talk radio and in Jim Inhofe's head.

yeah~ and Al Gore is a scientist and he got his degree in climate study from where? I understand Al Gore almost flunked out of his science class he got a "D" and now he's a self-made expert on the subject, he's also selling carbon credits. I made up my mind on the subject with the facts, not global warming dogma. I wish the planet was warming up I don't like cold weather. A warmer planet is better than a cold planet. I see no advantage of a colder planet. A warmer planet offers longer growing seasons and less heating oil, but it is not happening. [B)]

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Let's focus on the facts about global warming not political agendas. Scientists do not agree with Al Gore.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related

The men you are talking about as "scientists" are two TV weatherman, one of which doesn't even have a degree in meteorology or any other related discipline. These are not scientists.

There really isn't a lot of debate in the scientific community about this. Just on conservative talk radio and in Jim Inhofe's head.

yeah~ and Al Gore is a scientist and he got his degree in climate study from where? I understand Al Gore almost flunked out of his science class he got a "D" and now he's a self-made expert on the subject, he's also selling carbon credits. I made up my mind on the subject with the facts, not global warming dogma. I wish the planet was warming up I don't like cold weather. A warmer planet is better than a cold planet. I see no advantage of a colder planet. A warmer planet offers longer growing seasons and less heating oil, but it is not happening. [B)]

The difference is that Al Gore doesn't claim to be a scientist and states that.  Keep trying.

Where's your doctorate.  You get it from Ohio State?

[xx(]

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

There's lots of stuff I can post that debunks global warming, but it's ignored. There are 4 science climate experts one has a Phd who debunk global warming with facts they did a article about the subject, and they shread Al Gore's movie piece by piece. It seems some people just like political dogma and the global warming agenda over the facts. Happy carbon credit trading to you.[}:)]

 

I have NEVER even seen this movie you keep mentioning lol. And who cares whether someone debunked this guys silly little movie lol? Again, why this fascination with this guy and some movie he made,,, What, wasnt it like ages ago? You keep bringing up this one guy and seemingly putting the whole of authority about global warming on him, so that if he is wrong everything else on the subject is wrong?

From what I gather it sounds like it was a "sensationalist" movie meant to get peoples attention, it apparently played loose with the facts and wasnt scientifically accurate. (like that video you showed us lol) And so what, they do that on the news every day it seems lol. We all know that, but apparently you, I dont know, just think everyone thinks he was somehow the be all end all of the global warming debate lol. Disproving something that was silly and never credible in the first place,,, don't do much for ya dude lol. You sound reeeally strange. I dont know, do they still talk about Gore and that movie on those conservative channels and stuff and thus you mistakingly think everyone does? Its actually kind of telling that they have to reach back to Gore and that movie to try and find fault with things lol. If thats the best they can do, its a sorry state of affairs lol[}:)].

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


One other thing about smog. China is producing a lot of it so is producing a lot of cooling effects. But they are also producing a lot of longer lasting, warming gasses as well. As they  become "cleaner" the cooling effects will lessen and the heating effects will increase. If they werent producing as much air pollution/smog as they are now, we would currently be seeing even more warming.

At last, a logical reason why the Kyoto (that city in Japan) Accords allow developing countries to keep polluting. The developed countries have to pay more to control everything. The jobs and manufacturing go to developing countries that spew pollution to counteract greenhouse gasses while they keep manufacturing costs down.  Their citizens get to choke on soot like we had to do while we were developing. Their life expectancy goes down as they change from agrarian to urban lifestyles.  Their population then becomes self limiting. The world achieves cooling/warming balance at the expense of the health of the developing countries.  Carbon credits are bought and sold, creating yet another non-productive "industry" that does nothing more than transfer money to a select few.

As I have watched the climate change debate unfold over the last decades, I have seen more and more info being gathered, science learning more on so many fronts, and during the last several decades especially,,, the "swings" are so much smaller and settling out to the concensus that we are warming the global climate.  

Concensus is not the same as proof. Most times it will be correct but occasionally there appears someone like the MD that determined that stomach ulcers were caused by something other than the concensus. (I believe he determined the cause to be either a virus or bacteria.)

Unfortunately the topic of Climate Warming/Change/Whatever has become so political that the proponents have snapped their minds shut like a steel trap to any data that does not support their hypothesis of that change being caused by mankind.

As for, "the climate changes, always has and will". No duh. Its the amount of change and the rapidity of that change, currently being considered, that is important.

More important is the attitude that we must do "whatever it takes" (I hate that concept with the possible exception of something like the WWII Battle of the Bulge because usually people don't really mean it) to stop the change when it is not proven that it is caused by mankind or that it is controllable.  We may be forced to learn to live with it as "we" did with the "Little Ice Age".  The point of this is that all of this effort to control climate change has an economic and social cost.  As I posted elsewhere, some of the programs are good as a stand alone goal, regardless of climate change.  The cost/benefit ratio must be kept realistic.  Of course, everyone's opinion of realistic will be different.  

Artist,

I am not picking on you. You just happened to post some items I wanted to respond to for a while.

RA

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

There's lots of stuff I can post that debunks global warming, but it's ignored. There are 4 science climate experts one has a Phd who debunk global warming with facts they did a article about the subject, and they shread Al Gore's movie piece by piece. It seems some people just like political dogma and the global warming agenda over the facts. Happy carbon credit trading to you.[}:)]

 

I have NEVER even seen this movie you keep mentioning lol. And who cares whether someone debunked this guys silly little movie lol? Again, why this fascination with this guy and some movie he made,,, What, wasnt it like ages ago? You keep bringing up this one guy and seemingly putting the whole of authority about global warming on him, so that if he is wrong everything else on the subject is wrong?

From what I gather it sounds like it was a "sensationalist" movie meant to get peoples attention, it apparently played loose with the facts and wasnt scientifically accurate. (like that video you showed us lol) And so what, they do that on the news every day it seems lol. We all know that, but apparently you, I dont know, just think everyone thinks he was somehow the be all end all of the global warming debate lol. Disproving something that was silly and never credible in the first place,,, don't do much for ya dude lol. You sound reeeally strange. I dont know, do they still talk about Gore and that movie on those conservative channels and stuff and thus you mistakingly think everyone does? Its actually kind of telling that they have to reach back to Gore and that movie to try and find fault with things lol. If thats the best they can do, its a sorry state of affairs lol[}:)].

I also have never seen his movie, but I have read reviews of it and read where science experts rip his movie dogma to shreads. The thing is some schools take his movie as gospel and that's dangerous and a few schools are brain washing our children with this global warming dogma. Al Gore gave a talk to 12 year old kids telling them to believe in global warming. (Glenn beck played that tape on his radio show)..  Al Gore is one of the self-made major leaders of this global warming movement. When people think Al Gore people think Global Warming the two go hand in hand. He's pushing a dangerous agenda that can ruin our economy and make life tuff for people in the western world. Al Gore also will not and refuses to debate anyone on this subject,and he has no degrees in science. President Obama buys into Al Gore's theory and wants to start carbon credits and "Cap & Trade".. Open up that wallet, it's going to cost every American big time and all for a hoax. This nonsense needs to stop before it's too late.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

There's lots of stuff I can post that debunks global warming, but it's ignored. There are 4 science climate experts one has a Phd who debunk global warming with facts they did a article about the subject, and they shread Al Gore's movie piece by piece. It seems some people just like political dogma and the global warming agenda over the facts. Happy carbon credit trading to you.[}:)]

 

I have NEVER even seen this movie you keep mentioning lol. And who cares whether someone debunked this guys silly little movie lol? Again, why this fascination with this guy and some movie he made,,, What, wasnt it like ages ago? You keep bringing up this one guy and seemingly putting the whole of authority about global warming on him, so that if he is wrong everything else on the subject is wrong?

From what I gather it sounds like it was a "sensationalist" movie meant to get peoples attention, it apparently played loose with the facts and wasnt scientifically accurate. (like that video you showed us lol) And so what, they do that on the news every day it seems lol. We all know that, but apparently you, I dont know, just think everyone thinks he was somehow the be all end all of the global warming debate lol. Disproving something that was silly and never credible in the first place,,, don't do much for ya dude lol. You sound reeeally strange. I dont know, do they still talk about Gore and that movie on those conservative channels and stuff and thus you mistakingly think everyone does? Its actually kind of telling that they have to reach back to Gore and that movie to try and find fault with things lol. If thats the best they can do, its a sorry state of affairs lol[}:)].

I also have never seen his movie, but I have read reviews of it and read where science experts rip his movie dogma to shreads. The thing is same schools take his movie as gospel and that's dangerous. Al Gore is one of the self-made major leaders of this global warming movement. When people think Al Gore people think Global Warming the two go hand in hand. He's pushing a dangerous agenda that can ruin our economy and make life tuff for people in the western world. Al Gore also will not and refuses to debate anyone on this subject, even though he has no degrees in science. President Obama buys into Al Gore's theory and wants to start carbon credits and "Cap & Trade".. Open up that wallet, it's going to cost every American big time and all for a hoax. This nonsense needs to stop before it's too late.

Typical.  You back up your stance on climate change/global warming with a video YOU YOURSELF admits to have never seen.

Brilliant!

[waterboy]

Hoss, he has proven to be non-conversation worthy. Red Arrow on the other hand is more of a pragmatist. Yes, RA, trying to control nature is dumb. Making fuel from corn is even dumber. But we are at the top of the food chain because of our ability to reason, adapt, think etc. If we can modify our behavior to positively affect change based on our own reasonable determination of facts, it seems we should do so rather than sit back and just let stuff happen because we are so powerless against nature. We've done so before with the refinement of industrial processes, combustion engines, flood abatement, etc.

I like your example of stomach ulcers. It was widely held that they were the result of diets too high in processed foods, acidic foods, spicy foods, alcohol etc, combined with stress. The prescribed cures were to avoid those items, reduce stress and drink less. This cure was backed up by the executive monkey stress ulcers you may know about. It turns out that a researcher of little repute determined that a bacteria was responsible for the common ulcer and could be treated with common anti-biotics. He was castigated and ignored for years. Now its pretty much accepted.

However, the original treatment for ulcers was good advice for a litany of ailments and caused no harm to patients who followed the regime. We can sit back and wait for the perfect cure, or we can work with what we know as the truth is revealed.

[Ed W]

In general terms, the planet has normally been warmer than it is at present.  We are possibly at the end of an ice age or merely in a brief warming period between them.  There's no good way to know.  However, if global warming is real (and I believe that it is) we're hastening that warm up.  Regardless, the odds are that the planet will warm up anyway.

We've already seen the climatological effects of a slight warming of the Pacific along with changes in ocean currents associated with that warming.  "Don't mess with Mother Nature" was the tag line for some ad once upon a time, but I think it speaks to the consequences of tinkering with forces we do not fully understand.  The Gaia Hypothesis states that the planet is a self regulating system.  I think we'd be foolish to interfere with it, like children playing with the heating and air conditioning in a house.

[GG]

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/2009_02_15_Former_astronaut_speaks_out_on_global_warming/srvc=home&position=recent

Former astronaut speaks out on global warming

SANTA FE, N.M. - Former astronaut Harrison Schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served New Mexico in the U.S. Senate, doesn't believe that humans are causing global warming.

"I don't think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect," said Schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the International Conference on Climate Change in New York.

Schmitt contends that scientists "are being intimidated" if they disagree with the idea that burning fossil fuels has increased carbon dioxide levels, temperatures and sea levels.

"They've seen too many of their colleagues lose grant funding when they haven't gone along with the so-called political consensus that we're in a human-caused global warming," Schmitt said.

Dan Williams, publisher with the Chicago-based Heartland Institute, which is hosting the climate change conference, said he invited Schmitt after reading about his resignation from The Planetary Society, a nonprofit dedicated to space exploration.

Schmitt resigned after the group blamed global warming on human activity. In his resignation letter, the 74-year-old geologist argued that the "global warming scare is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making."

Williams said Heartland is skeptical about the crisis that people are proclaiming in global warming.

"Not that the planet hasn't warmed. We know it has or we'd all still be in the Ice Age," he said. "But it has not reached a crisis proportion and, even among us skeptics, there's disagreement about how much man has been responsible for that warming."

Schmitt said historical documents indicate average temperatures have risen by 1 degree per century since around 1400 A.D., and the rise in carbon dioxide is because of the temperature rise.

Schmitt also said geological evidence indicates changes in sea level have been going on for thousands of years. He said smaller changes are related to changes in the elevation of land masses — for example, the Great Lakes are rising because the earth's crust is rebounding from being depressed by glaciers.

Schmitt, who grew up in Silver City and now lives in Albuquerque, has a science degree from the California Institute of Technology. He also studied geology at the University of Oslo in Norway and took a doctorate in geology from Harvard University in 1964.

In 1972, he was one of the last men to walk on the moon as part of the Apollo 17 mission.

Schmitt said he's heartened that the upcoming conference is made up of scientists who haven't been manipulated by politics.

Of the global warming debate, he said: "It's one of the few times you've seen a sizable portion of scientists who ought to be objective take a political position and it's coloring their objectivity."

[GG]

The problem with SK's rants is that he contents Global Warming is a Hoax.

The real hoax is Man Made Global warming. The world may be going through climate change but the climate is always changing therefore it is a natural occurrence.

The real problem is the Owl Gore's of the world are trying to profit from the changes by fanning the flames of hysteria.

If you want to buy some carbon credits from me. Just give me a call at BR-549. [8D]

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by unreliablesource


The real hoax is Man Made Global warming. The world may be going through climate change but the climate is always changing therefore it is a natural occurrence.

You honestly believe digging up carbon that has been sequestered deep underground and spewing it into the atmosphere is having no effect on our climate?

[sauerkraut]

The biggest global warming gas around is water vapor and no one even brings up that. They put the focus on carbon, because carbon can be taxed and can open up "Cap & Trade" laws. I posted  articles by experts and scientists that debunk global warming, yet some people are heck bent on believing political dogma for global warming. Al Gore is in the business of selling carbon credits, he wants to feed the hoax. Al Gore still flys around in his private jet and tells everyone else to take a bus, walk, or ride a bike to work. I bet Al Gore (and people like him) keep their A/C cranked up full in the summer,  Al Gore has a  10,000 square foot home and I'd also bet he keeps his house warmer than 68 degrees in the winter. He sets no example to follow and if this crisis is so real and doom & gloomish you'll never know it with Al Gores massive carbon footprints.[xx(]

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

The biggest global warming gas around is water vapor and no one even brings up that. They put the focus on carbon, because carbon can be taxed and can open up "Cap & Trade" laws. I posted  articles by experts and scientists that debunk global warming, yet some people are heck bent on believing political dogma for global warming. Al Gore is in the business of selling carbon credits, he wants to feed the hoax. Al Gore still flys around in his private jet and tells everyone else to take a bus, walk, or ride a bike to work. I bet Al Gore (and people like him) keep their A/C cranked up full in the summer,  Al Gore has a  10,000 square foot home and I'd also bet he keeps his house warmer than 68 degrees in the winter. He sets no example to follow and if this crisis is so real and doom & gloomish you'll never know it with Al Gores massive carbon footprints.[xx(]

But if you think global warming is a hoax, then why should you care what ANYONE'S carbon footprint is?

[xx(]